Wednesday, September 06, 2006
Whatever -- I, I, I, I believe 2
Well, I've slid, for sure. Whether I've backslid or frontslid, I leave for others to discern. My theological worldview on June 16, 2005. The current state of my soul, vis-a-vis my mind, follows.
--ER
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 | You scored as Emergent/Postmodern. You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.
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Emergent/Postmodern 75%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 71%
Classical Liberal 64%
Modern Liberal 57%
Neo orthodox 43%
Roman Catholic 29%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 29%
Reformed Evangelical 18%
Fundamentalist 14%
yikes. 14% fundy?
I think the results are skewed (as always) due to the lack of Anabaptist as a tradition.
On a pomo line, have you read Borg's Heart of Christianity? We're reading it as a church currently. I'm finding a lot that I agree with, although I am leary of the Post Modern label.
Anabaptists have been around longer than the current version of fundies in the Christian church, whom I might tend to think of as pomo...
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 71%
Classical Liberal 64%
Modern Liberal 57%
Neo orthodox 43%
Roman Catholic 29%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 29%
Reformed Evangelical 18%
Fundamentalist 14%
yikes. 14% fundy?
I think the results are skewed (as always) due to the lack of Anabaptist as a tradition.
On a pomo line, have you read Borg's Heart of Christianity? We're reading it as a church currently. I'm finding a lot that I agree with, although I am leary of the Post Modern label.
Anabaptists have been around longer than the current version of fundies in the Christian church, whom I might tend to think of as pomo...
Okay, I'll play along, despite many of the statements leading assumptions. It's hardly an authoritative result, but for fun this is how I scored:
Neo orthodox 79%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 71%
Fundamentalist 71%
Emergent/Postmodern 54%
Reformed Evangelical 46%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 39%
Modern Liberal 29%
Classical Liberal 18%
Roman Catholic 7%
Dan's "yikes" in regard to fundies, echoes my own in regard to Emergent/Postmodern... I find little or nothing of value in either movement; Emergent OR Postmodern.
For the record, I firmly believe I wasted my time on this quiz, but perhaps a glimpse at where the two of you are coming from can be instructive.
Neo orthodox 79%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 71%
Fundamentalist 71%
Emergent/Postmodern 54%
Reformed Evangelical 46%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 39%
Modern Liberal 29%
Classical Liberal 18%
Roman Catholic 7%
Dan's "yikes" in regard to fundies, echoes my own in regard to Emergent/Postmodern... I find little or nothing of value in either movement; Emergent OR Postmodern.
For the record, I firmly believe I wasted my time on this quiz, but perhaps a glimpse at where the two of you are coming from can be instructive.
Well, that was fun, but no big surprises to me. :)
You scored as Neo orthodox.
You are neo-orthodox. You reject the human-centredness and scepticism of liberal theology, but neither do you go to the other extreme and make the Bible the central issue for faith. You believe that Christ is God's most important revelation to humanity, and the Trinity is hugely important in your theology. The Bible is also important because it points us to the revelation of Christ. You are influenced by Karl Barth and P T Forsyth.
Neo orthodox 75%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 64%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 50%
Fundamentalist 46%
Emergent/Postmodern 43%
Reformed Evangelical 39%
Roman Catholic 39%
Modern Liberal 36%
Classical Liberal 36%
You scored as Neo orthodox.
You are neo-orthodox. You reject the human-centredness and scepticism of liberal theology, but neither do you go to the other extreme and make the Bible the central issue for faith. You believe that Christ is God's most important revelation to humanity, and the Trinity is hugely important in your theology. The Bible is also important because it points us to the revelation of Christ. You are influenced by Karl Barth and P T Forsyth.
Neo orthodox 75%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 64%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 50%
Fundamentalist 46%
Emergent/Postmodern 43%
Reformed Evangelical 39%
Roman Catholic 39%
Modern Liberal 36%
Classical Liberal 36%
"but perhaps a glimpse at where the two of you are coming from can be instructive."
Okay, grumpy. I didn't care for the quiz either but it's not meant to be brain surgery.
For the record, "where I'm coming from" is from the anabaptist tradition. Mennonites, Amish, Hutterites. Early Baptists, even.
They apparently have something in common with Post-Modern/Emergent, but aren't the same. Not that I'm dissing pomo, it's just that I'm still learning about it.
Okay, grumpy. I didn't care for the quiz either but it's not meant to be brain surgery.
For the record, "where I'm coming from" is from the anabaptist tradition. Mennonites, Amish, Hutterites. Early Baptists, even.
They apparently have something in common with Post-Modern/Emergent, but aren't the same. Not that I'm dissing pomo, it's just that I'm still learning about it.
Grumpy is right! Sheesh.
"Little or nothing of value"! I wouldn't even say that of fundamentalists, in that people come to God through Christ through them, EL, just like they do through other traditions unlike your own.
"Little or nothing of value"! I wouldn't even say that of fundamentalists, in that people come to God through Christ through them, EL, just like they do through other traditions unlike your own.
So if, according to Crystal's report, being Neo-Orthodox means you're a fan of Karl Barth, we might have some common ground...
Grumpy better than the alternative? Happiness?
Here's what I scored:
Emergent/Postmodern 89%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 86%
Neo orthodox 64%
Roman Catholic 50%
Classical Liberal 43%
Modern Liberal 29%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 25%
Reformed Evangelical 25%
Fundamentalist 21%
Here's what I scored:
Emergent/Postmodern 89%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 86%
Neo orthodox 64%
Roman Catholic 50%
Classical Liberal 43%
Modern Liberal 29%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 25%
Reformed Evangelical 25%
Fundamentalist 21%
# posted by 
: 4:17 PM
: 4:17 PM
Btw, ER, for a couple reformed Southern Baptists, we both seem to have quite a bit of repressed Pentacostalism....
# posted by : 4:31 PM
: 4:31 PM
Ha! I mean, "a-ha!"
I love my tongues-talkin' brethren. I probably picked up some of their thinkin' by osmosis -- if they believed in that -- from growin' up in their midst. Hee hee. You can't sling a cat without hittin' an Assembly-er, or a holiness, or some other brand of Pentecostal type, around my own stompin' grounds. Heck, even the big main Baptist chuirch over at Fort Smith went through a charismatic spell in the early '80s. ...
I love my tongues-talkin' brethren. I probably picked up some of their thinkin' by osmosis -- if they believed in that -- from growin' up in their midst. Hee hee. You can't sling a cat without hittin' an Assembly-er, or a holiness, or some other brand of Pentecostal type, around my own stompin' grounds. Heck, even the big main Baptist chuirch over at Fort Smith went through a charismatic spell in the early '80s. ...
OK, ER, here is how I scored:
You scored as Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan.
You are an evangelical in the Wesleyan tradition. You believe that God's grace enables you to choose to believe in him, even though you yourself are totally depraved. The gift of the Holy Spirit gives you assurance of your salvation, and he also enables you to live the life of obedience to which God has called us. You are influenced heavly by John Wesley and the Methodists.
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 82%
Emergent/Postmodern 75%
Neo orthodox 57%
Reformed Evangelical 57%
Classical Liberal 50%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 39%
Fundamentalist 32%
Modern Liberal 32%
Roman Catholic 29%
You scored as Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan.
You are an evangelical in the Wesleyan tradition. You believe that God's grace enables you to choose to believe in him, even though you yourself are totally depraved. The gift of the Holy Spirit gives you assurance of your salvation, and he also enables you to live the life of obedience to which God has called us. You are influenced heavly by John Wesley and the Methodists.
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 82%
Emergent/Postmodern 75%
Neo orthodox 57%
Reformed Evangelical 57%
Classical Liberal 50%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 39%
Fundamentalist 32%
Modern Liberal 32%
Roman Catholic 29%
# posted by : 6:27 PM
: 6:27 PM
Pause.
On a loose-fittingly related subject:
I hereby retract my fun-making at the expense of the fundy jammies. ("Armor of God" PJs, "inspired by Ephesians 6: 10-18," see my Aug. 25 post.)
I think they're silly. But the Scriptural metaphor upon which they are based is sound, and it's no sillier than puttin' a kid in NASCAR undies or anything else.
I apologize to the ether. A good friend said I was being a bully by jumping on, and in retrospect, I agree.
Dang my bleeding-heart conscience.
Carry on.
On a loose-fittingly related subject:
I hereby retract my fun-making at the expense of the fundy jammies. ("Armor of God" PJs, "inspired by Ephesians 6: 10-18," see my Aug. 25 post.)
I think they're silly. But the Scriptural metaphor upon which they are based is sound, and it's no sillier than puttin' a kid in NASCAR undies or anything else.
I apologize to the ether. A good friend said I was being a bully by jumping on, and in retrospect, I agree.
Dang my bleeding-heart conscience.
Carry on.
I don't have so much a problem with the jammies themselves in their bibledy-goodness, but more so the fact that they make the kids look like little klansmen.
Is that woman totally unaware of what they look like or is it deliberate?!
Is that woman totally unaware of what they look like or is it deliberate?!
Totally, guillessly unaware, I'd say.
FLASH: It just dawned on me what (I'll bet!) EL meant by "the alternative" to "grumpy."
The alternative *would* be "nice," which would suggest something less than condemnation, which would mean he might be construed to *agree* or at least accept, or at least tolerate, some of the other traditions which *might* be construed as being less than fervent in the rightness of his own tradition, which requires that all, or at least most, believers fall under his own tent, otherwise his own tent is less than fully correct, which means he might go to hell -- hell being the alternative to "grumpy" in that context!
I hope I'm wrong. But I'll bet ...
People are sooooo gonna be surprised at who they find "in heaven" -- quote marks to suggest not that I don't believe in heaven, but that what I believe is much more than what passes for heaven in the usual conversations where it comes up. :-)
FLASH: It just dawned on me what (I'll bet!) EL meant by "the alternative" to "grumpy."
The alternative *would* be "nice," which would suggest something less than condemnation, which would mean he might be construed to *agree* or at least accept, or at least tolerate, some of the other traditions which *might* be construed as being less than fervent in the rightness of his own tradition, which requires that all, or at least most, believers fall under his own tent, otherwise his own tent is less than fully correct, which means he might go to hell -- hell being the alternative to "grumpy" in that context!
I hope I'm wrong. But I'll bet ...
People are sooooo gonna be surprised at who they find "in heaven" -- quote marks to suggest not that I don't believe in heaven, but that what I believe is much more than what passes for heaven in the usual conversations where it comes up. :-)
BTW, the friend who called me on my bulliness took special exception to my own Klan comment. Glad to see I'm not the only one for whom it came to mind.
God love 'em. But if the white robe fits ...
Maybe the little robes should be royal gold instead of white.
God love 'em. But if the white robe fits ...
Maybe the little robes should be royal gold instead of white.
Drlobojo scored as follow:
You scored as Modern Liberal.
You are a Modern Liberal. Science and historical study have shown so much of the Bible to be unreliable and that conservative faith has made Jesus out to be a much different thing than he actually was. Discipleship involves continuing to preach and practice Jesus' measure of love and acceptance, and dogma is not important in today's world. You are influenced by thinkers like Bultmann and Bishop Spong.
Classical Liberal 82%
Modern Liberal 82%
Emergent/Postmodern 75%
Neo orthodox 50%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 36%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 14%
Reformed Evangelical 11%
Roman Catholic 7%
Fundamentalist 0%
I am for sure on the wrong blog when it comes to religion. I'll bet you guys thought I was a conservative.
You see, I know that I will see all of you in heaven. What I don't know is if you'll have eyes that can see me.
You scored as Modern Liberal.
You are a Modern Liberal. Science and historical study have shown so much of the Bible to be unreliable and that conservative faith has made Jesus out to be a much different thing than he actually was. Discipleship involves continuing to preach and practice Jesus' measure of love and acceptance, and dogma is not important in today's world. You are influenced by thinkers like Bultmann and Bishop Spong.
Classical Liberal 82%
Modern Liberal 82%
Emergent/Postmodern 75%
Neo orthodox 50%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 36%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 14%
Reformed Evangelical 11%
Roman Catholic 7%
Fundamentalist 0%
I am for sure on the wrong blog when it comes to religion. I'll bet you guys thought I was a conservative.
You see, I know that I will see all of you in heaven. What I don't know is if you'll have eyes that can see me.
# posted by : 10:08 PM
: 10:08 PM
As to the jammies, I think it's the combination of the white robes with the red crusaders cross that gives it that Klan-look. The pointy white headdresses don't help either.
"People are sooooo gonna be surprised at who they find "in heaven""
I can't remember if I've mentioned it here or not, but my teenage son said it would be a fun "reality" show to find a racist or homophobe or some other troubled person, make them think they're dying, then, while they're asleep, change the room to something sorta "heavenly" looking and when they wake up, they're told that they're dead and in heaven but it is populated by the folk they hate (ie, God is a gay dude).
A little sick perhaps, but fun and educational to be sure.(How many would choose to stay, I wonder?)
"People are sooooo gonna be surprised at who they find "in heaven""
I can't remember if I've mentioned it here or not, but my teenage son said it would be a fun "reality" show to find a racist or homophobe or some other troubled person, make them think they're dying, then, while they're asleep, change the room to something sorta "heavenly" looking and when they wake up, they're told that they're dead and in heaven but it is populated by the folk they hate (ie, God is a gay dude).
A little sick perhaps, but fun and educational to be sure.(How many would choose to stay, I wonder?)
Bwa-ha-ha. Reminds me of the M*A*S*H episode with the white patient who didn't want any "colored" blood during surgery -- and he got it anyway, then they sneaked up and dobbed his face with dye a little at a time when he was asleep, until he thought he was turnin' "colored"!
Hmm. Not a Christian, but thought it might be interesting anyway. Results:
You scored as Emergent/Postmodern.
You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.
Emergent/Postmodern
86%
Modern Liberal
82%
Classical Liberal
79%
Roman Catholic
46%
Neo orthodox
36%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan
36%
Charismatic/Pentecostal
36%
Reformed Evangelical
7%
Fundamentalist
0%
There's a more pan-religion one similar to this over at beliefnet, also fun.
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You scored as Emergent/Postmodern.
You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.
Emergent/Postmodern
86%
Modern Liberal
82%
Classical Liberal
79%
Roman Catholic
46%
Neo orthodox
36%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan
36%
Charismatic/Pentecostal
36%
Reformed Evangelical
7%
Fundamentalist
0%
There's a more pan-religion one similar to this over at beliefnet, also fun.
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