Friday, September 05, 2008
A make-my-day kind of day in Texas
Texas couple subdues intruders, secures their own premises.
Good on 'em.
The burglers also made the typically American mistake of viewing guns as magic boom-sticks that make them invulnerable and all-powerful.
Clearly, we see from this that a gun is only as useful as the person holding it, and the person armed with bravery, and mental preperation is armed all the time.
Get a gun, or don't get a gun...but whatever you do , get training. That's my preachy take on the subject.
If a person owns a gun and has not been trained on how to use it, it's like handing car keys over to my eleven year old. Guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns kill people.
I do hope the family gets some counseling to help deal with the after effects. It can years to start feeling safe again after a home invasion. That type of experience definitely puts them at all risk of PTSD.
Well, yeah. But not your wife, or your kids.
BTW, y'all should be proud. When Texas started requiring gun safety instruction in order to get a hunting license, I was well old enough to be grandfathered in, but I took thje course anyway. And now, it's been so long since I've handled any firearm, I'd go through one again if I planned on going hunting.
Then about six years latter, after spending the entire day getting my Corvair Van to run (enough to make any Christian mean and vile), I went to my wife's school where she taught to pick her up. Walking down the hallway in my greasy clothes with very long shaggy locks and a mustache some dumb high school kid reached up behind me and yanked my hair.
When I came to my senses I was hold the kid two feet off the ground against the wall and was ready to deliver a death blow to the face. I didn't, but I did have to up my VA counselor's visits from once a week to twice for several months.
Magic broom sticks: you can stop any gun from being fired, or fired at you if you know how. These days, 40 years and 200 extra pound later, I have no doubt if I tried to use my former skills I would hurt myself more than the assailant. I could do much better by just FALLING on them, or throwing up in their face.
GKS is correct, Christian's who would sacrifice their families for the honor or testimony of Christ didn't get it right at all. Indeed, like many today, including some very public figures, they figured the world was coming to an end like real soon anyway so it wasn't much of a sacrifice after all.
Kudos to those who by any means protect their own, and Grace to those who do the same for a stranger.
And, actuallym I am saying exactly this!
"Using violence to defend others is acceptable; it is only in self-preservation that Jesus insisted we are to desist."
"So, the early Christians who stood by, refusing to recant even as the Romans slaughtered their families - they were a bunch of pussies who didn't understand what Jesus was talking about?"
I get a lot of questions about "when is it OK to hit someone, or kick someone", etc.
The boiled-down meme that I've found is best remembered, and easiest to apply when talking about martial arts ethics is "Violence is never OK, but sometimes it is necessary".
If you hurt another person...even if you have no other choice...you feel it is wrong.
Well, some people don't but that's another story. Most people who have to cause harm in self-defense feel remorse.
The reservations we have are there for a reason, and dealing with them afterwards sucks, but it is better than being dead, or having some other innocent dead.
This does not mean I would allow some psycho to butcher my family. It only means I would not pretend that God would think it was OK. I would die before I would allow someone to harm my family; if necessary, I would kill. I would never - EVER - under any circumstances justify it by calling such an act "righteous".
There are volumes of testimony of Christians who faced such ordeals and watched as Roman soldiers killed their children, their spouses, their parents - all the time refusing to deny the God who raised Jesus from the dead. They did not have to do violence. Shoot, all they had to do was say something, a "something" everyone around would recognize was coerced and therefore meaningless. Yet, they did so, because they did not see the death meted out by the Roman Imperium as final. They did not fear death because they believed that Jesus had defeated death once and for all. Their courage was proof of the power of the cross and resurrection.
I'm not sure how your response relates to my statements on this thread.
Im sorry I don't have a response for you. Iw as only trying to address specifically the question of wether or ot ther is such a thing as "rightous violence", that my answer is "no", there's not...but that doesnt mean a person should stand idly by when action will improve the situation.
The Christian stuff is interesting, but I'm not sure how it applies to my statements.
When, in the story, the spirit was sent into the herd of swine, which then plunged to a violent death, was that righteous?
They are few and far between, but there are examples of righteous violence in our tradition. The Cross itself is an act of righteous violence.
I think that there is a difficulty in trying to deign right from wrong using only, or primarily, dogma. These types of discussions exemplify that difficulty.
Upbringing. Conscience. Scripture. Knowledge of history. Personal experience. Fluid interpretations of all.