Rev. Erudite Redneck, B.S., B.S., M.A., M.Div.

I say YEAH!! Now the gay folk hafta (as Dylan would say) SERVE SOMEBODY just like all us breeders. Not just in a loving caring way (anyone could do that already) but in a legal, binding and civily liable way. I am ALLL for equality be it sexual, racial , social ... whatever... just equal (rights wise). It will be more real when folks just start calling it marriage instead of gay mariiage... til then it's just sort of imaginary. Maybe we could actually elect a non-honkey-dude President someday soon? I have heard grumblings from some people I respect in some ways but do not in others that Mr. Obama is the anti-christ that we would be starting the "END TIMES"!!! Kinda foolish IMHO that anyone think we gotta kick start THE EVENT that HE decides when happens, I dont think he needs a hand. and... if it is them ole END TIMES..... how is this BAD for any Christian?!?!? Seems kinda like OUR BIG DAY to me. Oh yeah and HAPPY DAY for those of US who are gay, and by that I mean that just because a person is gay doesn't mean they are not one of US. SO I am not gay... but some of US are. YEAH FOR ALL OF US!!
 

Gotta take my ADD medicine before I post next time.
 

I grok. ;-)
 

"If you are an opponent, tell me, please, in what un-American name are you fighting against freedom?"

:)

Thanks for the link!
 

Nothing unAmerican about standing up for righteousness, ER. But there is definitely something unAmerican about 2% of the population dictating new definitions of words and institutions to the other 98%. There's also something unAmerican aout judges daring to overturn the will of the people as has happened in California, a state where, as I understand it, a referenum, as was passed by at least 60% of those voting, is a mere step below the state Constitution. It is also my understanding that there are already far more names needed to put to a vote a change in the California state Constitution come Novemer that would negate all these faux marriages being performed as a result of this unAmerican judicial activism.

I don't know if I'd call it unAmerican, but it is indeed mental to whine about getting rights one already has. And by the way, as far as rights go, those two old broads being paraded around as one of the first couples getting married say they were corralled(sp) into tying the knot. They already shared everything, including property.

What's unAmerican is to accuse others of being unAmerican for not buying into this particular whine.
 

"I don't know if I'd call it unAmerican, but it is indeed mental to whine about getting rights one already has."

It's also pretty unAmerican to try to pass off such bald-faced lies.

"these faux marriages"

LOL. Sorry, charlie, but they're completely real and legal now. :)

"is a mere step below the state Constitution"

Oh, but isn't it too bad that the courts have the duty to judge what is and isn't Constitutional, not what is and isn't a step below the Constitution. ;)

"What's unAmerican is to accuse others of being unAmerican for not buying into this particular whine."

Hilarious. What's unAmerican is to accuse others of being unAmerican for calling other people unAmerican. ROFL. You could save yourself some time with the standard, "I'm rubber, you're glue" retort, MA. LOL
 

Why is it when ANYONE claims to be "standing up for righteousness" it makes me want to make sure my guns are clean and in working order?

Reminder:

There is none righteous. No, not one.

You're defending no such thing. You're defending the status quo, because the way it goes makes you comfortable, and the ways things are going makes you uncomfortable.

You're stuffing rags inside the Liberty Bell in a futile attempt to keep it from ringing.
 

pssst... ER, don't be too hard on him, his marriage is worthless now that the gays can marry, and there's no resale market.
 

Will there be used marriage lots? Costco marriages?
 

Too much overhead in brick and mortar operations like that. Think eBay.
 

Would Moonies get quantity discounts now?

I still think a push-pull-or-drag marriage sale might be fun. Snort. Lots of double entendre possibilities there.
 

LOL

Oh, you straight people already have that. It's called divorce court. ;)
 

LOL
 

I never said "I" was righteous, ER. I only said I was standing up for righteousness. You might have trouble with the distinction since you don't believe anyone can tell what righteousness is, because you don't believe Scripture describes it at all. Liberty was screwed royally when four wackjobs decided to overturn the will of the people. It's something that is beyond their job description since the state Constitution doesn't give them the right to make shit up.

And should Alan return to this post, he'll be happy to know that there is no way such a tragic decision by activist judges could ever impact my marriage. You might want to just 86 that tired angle. Distorting the institution doesn't affect any particular marriage, it just distorts the institution. I thought you lefties were good with nuance.
 

Re, "you don't believe anyone can tell what righteousness is, because you don't believe Scripture describes it at all."

Righteousness is caring for widows and orphans; righteousness is holding the door to Christian fellowship wide open, period; righteousness is loving God and neighbor -- read friends AND enemies! -- as yourself; righteousness is loving to death.

THAT's righteousness. Throwing up fences and walls to the church, especially, is evil. As far from righteousness as can be.
 

"there is no way such a tragic decision by activist judges could ever impact my marriage. "

Thank you for making my argument for me, MA. So succinct and right one. And here I thought we'd never agree about anything. LOL
 

I was hoping you'd see that.

I'm glad that cat's out of the bag. His name is Control. That's what it's about -- not "morality," not "the good of the country," not "goodness."

Not nothin' but CONTROL. MA and others want to CONTROL you, Alan, as well as others UNLIKE THEM.

And that, brother, is why I stand by you. CONTROL is the opposite of LIBERTY.

And MA, that's why you're un-American on this.
 

I do try awfully hard to not guess at the motives of folks I disagree with. (I don't always succeed at that, but I do try.)

I could speculate... Is it control? Fear? Ignorance? Inferiority complex? Disgust? Revulsion? Anger? Is it just the same sort of evil that causes some kids to pluck the wings off butterflies? Or is it the most obvious reason, the reason we keep seeing over and over and over: people afraid of who they might be inside. No one is a bigger homophobe than a closet case. And given recent events, these days "homophobic conservative" lies somewhere between "florist" and "hair stylist" on the list of gay stereotypes.

Who knows? Frankly, who cares why such people do what they do? Finding out the real cause isn't going to help us help them. Because when you listen to what they really say, you realize that reason doesn't have anything at all to do with it. If you take them at their word, as I try to do, you hear them say (and MA isn't the only one of his cronies that have said the same thing), "It's about protecting marriage, even though marriage doesn't actually need protection." Huh? Take them at their word? I try, but their word is nothing but circular, stupid nonsense. It does, however, have the sound of someone trying very hard to convince themselves.

They say that it's about protecting marriage even when, as MA quite clearly and correctly states, that reason is clearly no reason at all. So, it's hard to take them at their word when even they admit they don't really mean their own ridiculous rhetoric.

So I don't care what their motivation is, the answer to their problem is the same and it's part of the genius of life in America. Here's the American answer, MA: If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married.
 

A voice of reason, Alan is.

And this ought to be on billboards and stickers and T-shirts and such:

"If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married."