Rev. Erudite Redneck, B.S., B.S., M.A., M.Div.

Rock on y'all indeed.

Either I'm in the minority, or the media narrative is wrong (quel surprise!), but I'm not at all concerned that this has gone on too long. Nor am I annoyed by anything other than the media's fascination with all things pedantic. (Did you hear that some airhead on ABC thinks Obama was flipping Hillary off in one of his speeches?)

Let it go on as long as it needs too. Last time I looked we were electing the leader of the free world here, not auditioning someone for a role in a cereal commercial.
 

Let the math go where it shall go. Hillary should no more quit than McCain should have quit. If Obama can't take this heat from Hillary then he would sure as hell make a shitty President. From my view point it is actually racist to believe that Hillary should retire in his favor at this point. (How condescending to Obama and chauvinist to Hillary, liberals are responsible for more inadvertent soft racism than they can see.)
Hillary is testing his metal. She is making him grow up fast. In fact she is making the whole political system grow up. If he gets peevish with her, what will he "get" with others when President.
He is learning about himself in ways he wouldn't otherwise. This is all good. Which ever one becomes President they will be stronger for this.

If the dumass/dufass Beltway pundits think for one minute that any of us Democrats are going to peevishly defect to the Devil himself, then they need to be replaced by a computerized digital persona's with more intelligence. It ain't going to happen. The Party is NOT broken, it does not need to be "healed".

The Republicans created the divide
in America and we are going to make damn sure they stay over their on their side of the eroding chasm until they are swallowed up.

In a decade of two there won't even be an elected Republican dogcatcher.
 

I think I may have the minority opinion here, but what they hey!

When it became mathematically impossible for Clinton to go to the convention with a majority of popular vote or delegates, she should have dropped out. To what end should she stay in? Best case scenario (for Clinton) she pulls up closer and goes to the convention with only a 100 (or even 50) delegate lead and fewer popular votes than Obama.

Is she going to ask the Dems to nominate her, despite not having the popular vote OR the lead in delegates?

That would be asking for disaster.

Call it, she's done and only making things harder for President Obama to secure the nomination (which I'm still confident of).
 

Dan,

You're not alone. But I could be biased, because I have just never liked Hillary.
 

Well, there's that, too. And even if I DID like her, I don't want ONLY two families running our country for a generation and a half.
 

Ahhh, I've never understood that last concern. I don't know why that matters, except for appearances' sake. I'm not sure what it's supposed to suggest.

Hmmm. The Bushes have the closest thing to a dynasty. The Clintons aren't even close.
 

As I said let the math work it out.
Popular vote? Obama ahead? Only if you don't count and don't seat Michigan and Florida at the Covention. In fact if you don't count Michigan and Florida neither Clinton nor Obama may have the required number of votess to be nominated by the end of the primaries. Duh!

Now that is the math. If you think the DNC is going to throw away Florida's electorial potential in the November general election, think again. They will be seated. If Florida is seated then they can't denie Michigan a seat. How will their votes be counted?

That's not fair you say. So, what cosmos do you live in. This is politics.
 

If they seat Clinton who won't have the popular vote or the lead in delegates, there WILL be an uprising and the Dems may lose the election.

That IS politics. Stupid politics.

There's not a scenario where a Clinton nomination works out to the advantage of the Dems.
 

DT said: "If they seat Clinton who won't have the popular vote or the lead in delegates, there WILL be an uprising and the Dems may lose the election."

So you have already done the final math?

It ain't over till the fat lady sings however.

I think Obama will win, but he hasn't yet. Many of Oklahoma's super delegates who should be for Hillary because we, as a State voted overwhelminly that way, have now gone over to Obama.
It is Obama's to lose.

If they nominate Clinton it will be because she won the correct number of the delegates. If they nominate Obama it will because he had the correct number of delegates.

Them are the rules.

If the loser, and/or their supporters takes their marbles and goes home in a huff, then damn them.(Bull Moose Party anyone?) They will own all of the blood shed in the next "Republican" administration.

It seems like "Instant Gratification" is a devine right these days. Play it out to the finish.
 

And the issue of a heriditary political class does matter very much to me, and I include Gore and Pelosi as much Bush and Clinton. I would imagine ER just doesn't see the interests of the rulers and ruled as more aligned than I do.

If it also matters, there are independents like me who wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton in any circumstances. It would be interesting to hear if anyone other than racists (and Christian bigots who believe the Islam allegation) feels the same way about Obama.

In any case, nomination battles often look like this and they don't usually cause real damage to the wining canadidate, if they don't drain the coffers for the general election. You can call someone's tax cut plan "voodoo economics" and still be their choice for Veep.
 

umm, sees the interests as more> aligned than i do
 

Hey, TStock.

Could be that familiarity breeds comfort with me on the ruling political class. We've always had them at the national level. And we got 'em in every state and city in the country. That don't make it OK. But it don't make it necessarily alarming to me, either.

Whole generations of families farm, rodeo, publish, and are butchers, bakers and candlestick makers. Of *course* whole generations of families go into politics.

Chelsea Clinton wants to run for presient and put Amy Carter (is she alive? sane? sober?) on the ticket? I'd vote for 'em if their platforms were anything like their daddies' positions.

Strike Amy. Insert Karenna Gore Schiff.
 

drlobojo, you just had to go and mention Michigan's delegates didn't you? Just when I'd nearly gotten over the last brain aneurism I got from thinking about that cluster-frak. Grrrrrrr. (MI resident here, obviously.)

Can I say cluster-frak on this blog? :)
 

The chair rules:

Cluster-frak is acceptable.

Carry the frak on. ;-)
 

And another thing. I recomend that you don't harrass Bird and Beau about babies. Let them live their lives at their own pace and sequence. That is, let them do it so long as they are living outside your house.
 

I've never said a word to 'em in the RW. 'Sides, they ain't even hitched yet. And they're takin' their time. And I know it'd *their* time, not mine.

Which is why, in the meantime, we love on our granddogs so much! :-)
 

They don't read this then?
 

Apparently very rarely. Plus, they know that ER is sort of a somewhat overdrawn character of my own self.

'Sides thast, Bird knows she can tell me to shut the hush up, and I think YankBeau knows to let me blow sometimes, anyway.