Thursday, January 17, 2008
Oh, Jeez, get off Chris Mathews' ASS!
Off! Get off his ass, I say!
Stupid bitches.*
--ER
* This is an admittedly provocative way to start a conversation about misogyny, women, men, political correctness, use of language, the ideal versus the real, "hate speech" and any other damn thing any one wants to bring up.
But, God, PLEASE, can WE JUST SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GO TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET?!?
One more thing: Get off Chris Mathews' ASS. I might be kin to him.
Stupid bitches.*
--ER
* This is an admittedly provocative way to start a conversation about misogyny, women, men, political correctness, use of language, the ideal versus the real, "hate speech" and any other damn thing any one wants to bring up.
But, God, PLEASE, can WE JUST SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GO TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET?!?
One more thing: Get off Chris Mathews' ASS. I might be kin to him.
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Mathews may have been closer to the truth than he realizes, but maybe for different reasons. I would like to see Hillery win in order to see Bill back in the Lincoln bedroom rubbing the faces of the lttle republican c......ers that impeached him into the dirty carpet that GWB left behind.
Just as I pulled the lever that might race through my mind and cause me to vote for her.
The republicans think we hate GW, shit no boys and girls, we hate you, yes you, and your gleeful crap that you tried to pull. How better to shit on your parade that to elect the wife of the man you hate.
See now that's the kind of venom that may very well come out in this campaign. That's why it should really be Obama that is the candidate, but it won't be. It will be Hillary. The bumper stickers might as well read "Elect Hillery and Take Revenge!"
Just as I pulled the lever that might race through my mind and cause me to vote for her.
The republicans think we hate GW, shit no boys and girls, we hate you, yes you, and your gleeful crap that you tried to pull. How better to shit on your parade that to elect the wife of the man you hate.
See now that's the kind of venom that may very well come out in this campaign. That's why it should really be Obama that is the candidate, but it won't be. It will be Hillary. The bumper stickers might as well read "Elect Hillery and Take Revenge!"
Sorry, but this is where I part company with you. If it were just one comment, and a really stupid one at that, I might give him a pass. Matthews has a history of really awful comments about Sen. Clinton, and really icky things said to female guests, quite cringe-worthy.
I have no problem with trying to get someone yanked from the air who has a blind spot when it comes to particular persons they are tasked to cover. In other jobs, that is known as a conflict of interest. It seems pretty clear that there is a fundamental conflict of interest between the necessity of covering a Presidential candidate and having a deeply troubling psychological antipathy to that candidate as a human being, woman, and actor on the national stage. The fact is, this isn't about ideology - Matthews, as Atrios says, has issues. These issues should preclude him being on air as an influential member of the gab-set.
I have no problem with trying to get someone yanked from the air who has a blind spot when it comes to particular persons they are tasked to cover. In other jobs, that is known as a conflict of interest. It seems pretty clear that there is a fundamental conflict of interest between the necessity of covering a Presidential candidate and having a deeply troubling psychological antipathy to that candidate as a human being, woman, and actor on the national stage. The fact is, this isn't about ideology - Matthews, as Atrios says, has issues. These issues should preclude him being on air as an influential member of the gab-set.
Alan said: "Is there a single one of these blowhards who hasn't imploded yet?"
Not to my satisfaction they haven't.
There are two or three on Fox and a couple elsewhere for example that have been circling the vent horizon longer than I though possible.
Just a few more units of gravity, just a few more.....
Not to my satisfaction they haven't.
There are two or three on Fox and a couple elsewhere for example that have been circling the vent horizon longer than I though possible.
Just a few more units of gravity, just a few more.....
So far, the only one I am aware of who has faced the consequences of being an asshole is Don Imus, and that was only temporary. Rush Limbaugh actually managed to out-Imus Imus with his "spade and ho" thing the other day; Sean Hannity somehow manages to talk in to a microphone, even though his chin is bigger than my head; Bill O'Reilly seems to be a walking test-case of mental-illness-on-parade, yet there he is, night after night.
Some feel this is a kind of anti-free speech thing. Hardly. It is, rather, forcing people to recognize they have the right to say whatever they want, and we have the right to demand they no longer have access to public airwaves, which, since the 1920's have been the property of the American people. They have no right to air time, especially to spout off seriously psychologically questionable stuff about, not just Hillary Clinton, but women in general.
Some feel this is a kind of anti-free speech thing. Hardly. It is, rather, forcing people to recognize they have the right to say whatever they want, and we have the right to demand they no longer have access to public airwaves, which, since the 1920's have been the property of the American people. They have no right to air time, especially to spout off seriously psychologically questionable stuff about, not just Hillary Clinton, but women in general.
Piffle.
They're not journalists, and they're not on public airwaves.
They're bullshitters, and they're on cable.
So, feel free to use yer power as a consumer to affect the market. But there's no basis for appeal to the public interest.
They're not journalists, and they're not on public airwaves.
They're bullshitters, and they're on cable.
So, feel free to use yer power as a consumer to affect the market. But there's no basis for appeal to the public interest.
Except for when they ARE on the air, as Rush is and Hannity. Not sure if Imus is agin or not; isn't he on satellite now?
No, it isn't piffle ER, and it is a lie to pretend it is. Cable broadcasters have the same responsibilities as others. Or do you think irresponsibility is OK?
The power of the market? I never thought of you as naive, but that one statement is about as naive as it gets. The ONLY REASON Matthews made his half-assed semi-apology yesterday is because people put pressure on his employers. It wasn't just about one comment about one candidate - it was over a decade of really troubling comments, ranging from odd semi-psychotic ramblings on the clothing then-Vice President Gore to the recent invitation to a female guest to move closer to the camera.
Just because you don't think of them as journalists means nothing. To the rest of America, they are. They have influence. More important, they have access to the public, peddling near-psychotic ramblings as political commentary.
Putting together a petition to get one of these lunatics off the air is, to my mind, "using the market", except perhaps in a way you don't approve of. Oh, well.
The power of the market? I never thought of you as naive, but that one statement is about as naive as it gets. The ONLY REASON Matthews made his half-assed semi-apology yesterday is because people put pressure on his employers. It wasn't just about one comment about one candidate - it was over a decade of really troubling comments, ranging from odd semi-psychotic ramblings on the clothing then-Vice President Gore to the recent invitation to a female guest to move closer to the camera.
Just because you don't think of them as journalists means nothing. To the rest of America, they are. They have influence. More important, they have access to the public, peddling near-psychotic ramblings as political commentary.
Putting together a petition to get one of these lunatics off the air is, to my mind, "using the market", except perhaps in a way you don't approve of. Oh, well.
Man, you really are unnecessarily viscious sometimes. You actually called me a liar I disagreed with you. Wow.
Cable operators absolutely do NOT have the same responsibilities as broadcasters. Period. The airwaves are public. Cablecasts that do not involve the airwaves are not.
Now, whether they have a general responsibility, yes -- but they do answer to the market. What do you think your petition would be? The market working. What do you think the pressure on Matthews' bosses was, if it was? The market working.
Naive? No. I'm just not as cynical as you -- and I hope I'm never as viscious with a friend.
Cable operators absolutely do NOT have the same responsibilities as broadcasters. Period. The airwaves are public. Cablecasts that do not involve the airwaves are not.
Now, whether they have a general responsibility, yes -- but they do answer to the market. What do you think your petition would be? The market working. What do you think the pressure on Matthews' bosses was, if it was? The market working.
Naive? No. I'm just not as cynical as you -- and I hope I'm never as viscious with a friend.
Watch that infamous ER temper, dude. I most definitely did not call you a liar. I said that cable operators were under the same obligations as broadcast operators. I was speaking of ethical obligations, not legal obligations under license agreements. As journalists, it would seem that they have the same obligations to present the information in a professional manner.
You say Matthews isn't a journalist. MSNBC, who employs him, thinks otherwise. His decade-long record of unethical, and sometimes borderline, behavior is enough to warrant his being yanked from the air. Period. Not because I don't like the content of his speech and want to silence him; rather, he behaves in a manner that, in any other profession, would have led to his removal for a combination of a fundamental conflict of interest and unprofessional, almost biased, conduct.
Do I play fair? Of course not. Did I call you a liar? Absolutely not. Do I think you're wrong on this topic? Yup.
You say Matthews isn't a journalist. MSNBC, who employs him, thinks otherwise. His decade-long record of unethical, and sometimes borderline, behavior is enough to warrant his being yanked from the air. Period. Not because I don't like the content of his speech and want to silence him; rather, he behaves in a manner that, in any other profession, would have led to his removal for a combination of a fundamental conflict of interest and unprofessional, almost biased, conduct.
Do I play fair? Of course not. Did I call you a liar? Absolutely not. Do I think you're wrong on this topic? Yup.
Chris Mathews is not worth the argument. His major value to the cable network is his access to politcal figures due to his former life. Same as Joe Scarborough. That they are abrassive and over the top (how about Mad Money Joe Cramer)because that is what attracts the demographic they have to have. The reasonable people, they have gotten rid of one at a time.
Now the market place doesn't work when there are multimulti billionairs out there simply buying what they want. Cable channels are now kind of like the new commodity that NBA and NFL teams once were. No the get taken out one at a time.
Like that smug bull dog faced betrayer Novak.
Now the market place doesn't work when there are multimulti billionairs out there simply buying what they want. Cable channels are now kind of like the new commodity that NBA and NFL teams once were. No the get taken out one at a time.
Like that smug bull dog faced betrayer Novak.
Uno. I am temperless at the moment, and I was awhallago, too.
Dos. "No, it isn't piffle ER, and it is a lie to pretend it is." Close enough.
Three-o. "I was speaking of ethical obligations, not legal obligations under license agreements." But then: "Putting together a petition to get one of these lunatics off the air is ..." Cable is cable, not air; cablecasts are not broadcasts; broadcast obligations to not apply. You mixed up delivery systems, and the difference is very important.
Quatro: "Do I think you're wrong on this topic? Yup." That's OK. But I'm right about the difference in cable and broadcast obligations.
Peace.
Dos. "No, it isn't piffle ER, and it is a lie to pretend it is." Close enough.
Three-o. "I was speaking of ethical obligations, not legal obligations under license agreements." But then: "Putting together a petition to get one of these lunatics off the air is ..." Cable is cable, not air; cablecasts are not broadcasts; broadcast obligations to not apply. You mixed up delivery systems, and the difference is very important.
Quatro: "Do I think you're wrong on this topic? Yup." That's OK. But I'm right about the difference in cable and broadcast obligations.
Peace.
ER, you're absolutely right. BIG difference between Cable and Broadcast...
HBO - Cable... "Rome," "Deadwood," "Real Sex #..."
CBS - Broadcast... .... .... uh.... "The CBS Evening News w/ Katie Couric"! The most risqué show CBS has is..... ... ... for language OR visual content.... .... ummm.... Can't think of anything truly "risqué"
OHHH! Big Brother!!!! Ha! ONE show, compared to MTV's entire daily broadcast! Remember all the grief one station got (CBS?) for airing "Saving Private Ryan" unedited? What about Janet Jackson's "Wardrobe Malfunction"? That was CBS too.
BIG difference Geoffrey.
[for the record... I work for a CBS affiliate in news production. Our five O'clock news is rated 3rd in the nation among ALL CBS affiliates... sorry to brag, ER]
HBO - Cable... "Rome," "Deadwood," "Real Sex #..."
CBS - Broadcast... .... .... uh.... "The CBS Evening News w/ Katie Couric"! The most risqué show CBS has is..... ... ... for language OR visual content.... .... ummm.... Can't think of anything truly "risqué"
OHHH! Big Brother!!!! Ha! ONE show, compared to MTV's entire daily broadcast! Remember all the grief one station got (CBS?) for airing "Saving Private Ryan" unedited? What about Janet Jackson's "Wardrobe Malfunction"? That was CBS too.
BIG difference Geoffrey.
[for the record... I work for a CBS affiliate in news production. Our five O'clock news is rated 3rd in the nation among ALL CBS affiliates... sorry to brag, ER]
This is an example of one not knowing the intricacies of the communications biz, and the laws and regulations appertaining thereto.
ER used: "TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET"
Just because your being professionally pissy. That is a a mixed metaphor. "To hell in a handcart" He was a hand basket case" or "he was a basket case".
"Hell in a handcart" Printer's back-shop phrase meaning that the lead type is dead and gone, it has gone to hell in a handcart to be melted down and recast.
" A hand basket case" is the way that people were hauled off to the ambulance or doctor when they couldn't walk. It was a long basket with four handles on the sides. The "stretcher" of past times.
Just because your being professionally pissy. That is a a mixed metaphor. "To hell in a handcart" He was a hand basket case" or "he was a basket case".
"Hell in a handcart" Printer's back-shop phrase meaning that the lead type is dead and gone, it has gone to hell in a handcart to be melted down and recast.
" A hand basket case" is the way that people were hauled off to the ambulance or doctor when they couldn't walk. It was a long basket with four handles on the sides. The "stretcher" of past times.
Piffle.
Kidding.
I reckon I mighta been bein' a little provincial ... parochial ... protective ... pissy.
Kidding.
I reckon I mighta been bein' a little provincial ... parochial ... protective ... pissy.
Ha! One of the commenters there accused Chrissy of carrying the water for those rightwing fascist scumbags! Yeah, Chris and WF Buckley are like this []!
And hey, handbasket, handcart or handbag, the GOP can't get into hell with all the dems and libs there.
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And hey, handbasket, handcart or handbag, the GOP can't get into hell with all the dems and libs there.
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