Saturday, October 27, 2007
'Christianity ... no longer like Jesus'
There's a common thread among all this.
Oklahoma lawmakers reject gift of Quran.
Churches shame them.
Oklahoma lawmakers pass strictest state immigration law in the nation.
Education leaders cowed.
Churches prepare to defy law.
It's all in Jesus's name, of course. So nobody should be surprised by a new study showing that Christianity's image is in the tank.
... One of the biggest surprises for researchers was the extent to which respondents — one in four non-Christians — said that modern-day Christianity was no longer like Jesus.
"It started to become more clear to us that what they're experiencing related to Christianity is some of the very things that Jesus warned religious people about," he said. "Which is, avoiding removing the log from your own eye before trying to take the speck out of someone else's."
All of which is why nobody should be surprised that a children's movie coming out in December is anti-religion and anti-God, and is *meant* to "kill God" in the minds of viewers.
I think the greatest evidence for God's existence is the fact that Christianity continues to exist when it is so generally corrupt, selfish, myopic, stupid -- sinful! May God have mercy on us all.
--ER
Oklahoma lawmakers reject gift of Quran.
Churches shame them.
Oklahoma lawmakers pass strictest state immigration law in the nation.
Education leaders cowed.
Churches prepare to defy law.
It's all in Jesus's name, of course. So nobody should be surprised by a new study showing that Christianity's image is in the tank.
... One of the biggest surprises for researchers was the extent to which respondents — one in four non-Christians — said that modern-day Christianity was no longer like Jesus.
"It started to become more clear to us that what they're experiencing related to Christianity is some of the very things that Jesus warned religious people about," he said. "Which is, avoiding removing the log from your own eye before trying to take the speck out of someone else's."
All of which is why nobody should be surprised that a children's movie coming out in December is anti-religion and anti-God, and is *meant* to "kill God" in the minds of viewers.
I think the greatest evidence for God's existence is the fact that Christianity continues to exist when it is so generally corrupt, selfish, myopic, stupid -- sinful! May God have mercy on us all.
--ER
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As far as The Golden Compass goes - the books are great, a nice alternative to the Harry Potter series. While I could "read" the whole "killing God" thing in them, so what? They're books.
As for Christianity not being like Jesus, 'twas ever thus. This is the struggle we have had since the beginning, and will have until the end.
As for Christianity not being like Jesus, 'twas ever thus. This is the struggle we have had since the beginning, and will have until the end.
True. Since "Christianity" is defined as the aggregation of "Christians," what does that say?
Narrow way, indeed.
Narrow way, indeed.
Rep. Randy Terrill either doesn't know what his own law says, is being deliberately deceptive:
"House Bill 1804 does nothing to restrict what you do with your own private dollars; that's the private dollars that are put into collection plates," said state Rep. Randy Terrill, author of the new law.
Here's the language of the bill itself. It says that I cannot give a ride to someone who needs to get to the store, or to church, or anywhere, without regard to their citizenship! And it says I cannot allow anyone to stay in my house without regard to their citizenship! It's bullshit. Randy Terrill, and the rest of the Legislature, and the governor, do not KNOW thre Pandora's Box they've opened.
"A. It shall be unlawful for any person to transport, move, or attempt to transport in the State of Oklahoma any alien knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of law, in furtherance of the illegal presence of the alien in the United States.
"B. It shall be unlawful for any person to conceal, harbor, or shelter from detection any alien in any place within the State of Oklahoma, including any building or means of transportation, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of law."
"House Bill 1804 does nothing to restrict what you do with your own private dollars; that's the private dollars that are put into collection plates," said state Rep. Randy Terrill, author of the new law.
Here's the language of the bill itself. It says that I cannot give a ride to someone who needs to get to the store, or to church, or anywhere, without regard to their citizenship! And it says I cannot allow anyone to stay in my house without regard to their citizenship! It's bullshit. Randy Terrill, and the rest of the Legislature, and the governor, do not KNOW thre Pandora's Box they've opened.
"A. It shall be unlawful for any person to transport, move, or attempt to transport in the State of Oklahoma any alien knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of law, in furtherance of the illegal presence of the alien in the United States.
"B. It shall be unlawful for any person to conceal, harbor, or shelter from detection any alien in any place within the State of Oklahoma, including any building or means of transportation, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of law."
The Oklahoma City police chief says a crime wave has begun in Hispanic neighborhoods because people are afraid to call the police, and criminals know it, and so they are targeting them.
Very Jesusy law. What Baptist church does Terrill allegedly attend? -- Wait -- no reason to doubt it, considering what Southern Baptists have become.
Very Jesusy law. What Baptist church does Terrill allegedly attend? -- Wait -- no reason to doubt it, considering what Southern Baptists have become.
When you dig deep enough what really find is a trend towards anti-hypocracy, anti-authorianism, anti-intolerance, emeshed in these criticism.
Are they anti-Christian or anti-God or are they anti-what those are proported to be within organized and orthodox religion?
Hell, I was a Southern Baptist until they became an "Organized Religion".
Christianity has been an dichotomy of theological positions since the very begining. Jesus was inclusive and allowed women to be his companions and deciples and Paul was sexually ambivalent and started the Orthodox Church on the path of misoginy. The Orthodox Christians of the second century saw the Gospels as "History with a Moral" and their Christian rivals the Gnostics Christians saw the Gospels as "Myths with Meaning".
The Orthodox believed that baptism was instant redemption but the Gnostics saw it as a first station on an arduous road to Truth.
When the Ordodox Augustine invented "original sin" at the end of the 4th century those in the Orthodoxy who opposed him were brutally handled and he won the fight to make it a basic tenent of Christianity. Jesus never said anything about original sin.
It goes on and on and on and on....
Rejecting the Church, rejecting christianity, even if they say they are rejecting God himself and yet they imbrace, Truth, Justice, Mercy, and Grace might they not be his sheep that are outside the fold?
For those of you who don't understand the Fundamentalism centered in central Oklahoma's Hillsdale College, you also need to understand that there is more than a small amount of anti-Catholicism going on in these House bills. And so it goes....
Are they anti-Christian or anti-God or are they anti-what those are proported to be within organized and orthodox religion?
Hell, I was a Southern Baptist until they became an "Organized Religion".
Christianity has been an dichotomy of theological positions since the very begining. Jesus was inclusive and allowed women to be his companions and deciples and Paul was sexually ambivalent and started the Orthodox Church on the path of misoginy. The Orthodox Christians of the second century saw the Gospels as "History with a Moral" and their Christian rivals the Gnostics Christians saw the Gospels as "Myths with Meaning".
The Orthodox believed that baptism was instant redemption but the Gnostics saw it as a first station on an arduous road to Truth.
When the Ordodox Augustine invented "original sin" at the end of the 4th century those in the Orthodoxy who opposed him were brutally handled and he won the fight to make it a basic tenent of Christianity. Jesus never said anything about original sin.
It goes on and on and on and on....
Rejecting the Church, rejecting christianity, even if they say they are rejecting God himself and yet they imbrace, Truth, Justice, Mercy, and Grace might they not be his sheep that are outside the fold?
For those of you who don't understand the Fundamentalism centered in central Oklahoma's Hillsdale College, you also need to understand that there is more than a small amount of anti-Catholicism going on in these House bills. And so it goes....
When the Hispanicization of Oklahoma is complete, how shocked -- shocked! -- the Baptist remnant will be when they detect a reciprocal anti-Baptist underlayment to the law!
Cast your pan on the agua and it will venga aqui a hundredfold.
Cast your pan on the agua and it will venga aqui a hundredfold.
And *this* is worth meditating on!
"Rejecting the Church, rejecting christianity, even if they say they are rejecting God himself and yet they imbrace, Truth, Justice, Mercy, and Grace might they not be his sheep that are outside the fold?"
ER: Deep. If the only "God" the critics know is the one claimed by vengeful, hypocritical, fearful, judgmental, exclusive assholes -- then they're not rejecting GOD at all, but a false, anthropomorphic CONCEPT of God -- and with THAT out of the way, then the Lord of Life probably *does* have a cleaner vessel with which to work, and they very well *could* actually be advancing the Kingdom -- which WOULD make them very sheepy -- I mean in the truthy, justicey, mercy-y, gracey, Jesusy other-foldy sort of way.
"Rejecting the Church, rejecting christianity, even if they say they are rejecting God himself and yet they imbrace, Truth, Justice, Mercy, and Grace might they not be his sheep that are outside the fold?"
ER: Deep. If the only "God" the critics know is the one claimed by vengeful, hypocritical, fearful, judgmental, exclusive assholes -- then they're not rejecting GOD at all, but a false, anthropomorphic CONCEPT of God -- and with THAT out of the way, then the Lord of Life probably *does* have a cleaner vessel with which to work, and they very well *could* actually be advancing the Kingdom -- which WOULD make them very sheepy -- I mean in the truthy, justicey, mercy-y, gracey, Jesusy other-foldy sort of way.
Maybe, just maybe if the foaming at the mouth fundamentalist Xians would wait until they actually saw something instead of consistently pre-judging, their overall image would improve? I'm beginning to think their God, whatever or whoever it might be in their own minds, is a pretty weak and feeble God if he/she/it is threatened by an occasional fantasy movie. What are they afraid of? If God is omnipotent, he/she/it doesn't need their help. If he/she/it does need their help, God is obviously not omnipotent, so why worship him/her/it?
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