Saturday, August 18, 2007
Imprecatory prayer? Defecatory dare!
Tit:
"Bro." Wiley Drake calls for curses against two specific staffers of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.
Tat:
Americans United denounces the "pastor" -- who Lordy! is a candidate for the presidency of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Tut!
Associated Baptist Press has to take it seriously.
Praying for God to curse someone is one step away from doing them physical harm yourself. If you would pray for evil to befall someone at God's own hand, and were presented with the opportunity to do him harm and declined, then you would be the worst sort of hypocrite.
My prayer: God protect us all from fundamentalist freaks, be they atheist, Muslim, Christian or whatever.
--ER
--ER
"Bro." Wiley Drake calls for curses against two specific staffers of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.
Tat:
Americans United denounces the "pastor" -- who Lordy! is a candidate for the presidency of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Tut!
Associated Baptist Press has to take it seriously.
Praying for God to curse someone is one step away from doing them physical harm yourself. If you would pray for evil to befall someone at God's own hand, and were presented with the opportunity to do him harm and declined, then you would be the worst sort of hypocrite.
My prayer: God protect us all from fundamentalist freaks, be they atheist, Muslim, Christian or whatever.
--ER
--ER
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I read this and about fell out of my chair. I swear, these people are getting crazier and crazier by the day.
Geoffrey: This is the second time I've encountered the concept of imprecatory prayer. The first time was at ELashley's place:
http://pocketmumbles.blogspot.com/
2006/09/stream-of-consciousness-river-of.html
Mom: To spritually cling to the Cross, or kneel at the empty tomb, and plead the spiritual protection of the blood of Christ in the face of evil, is one thing, and it's what I think is represented by the phrase you mention. It's defense.
For one, in one's own wisdom, to implore God to smite one's own enemies, flies in the face of "love your enemies and pray for them that spitefully use you," and is incredibly presumptious in general. It's misplaced offense.
Is there any example in the Bible of Jesus praying that his enemies be smitten, or of his followers praying thusly?
http://pocketmumbles.blogspot.com/
2006/09/stream-of-consciousness-river-of.html
Mom: To spritually cling to the Cross, or kneel at the empty tomb, and plead the spiritual protection of the blood of Christ in the face of evil, is one thing, and it's what I think is represented by the phrase you mention. It's defense.
For one, in one's own wisdom, to implore God to smite one's own enemies, flies in the face of "love your enemies and pray for them that spitefully use you," and is incredibly presumptious in general. It's misplaced offense.
Is there any example in the Bible of Jesus praying that his enemies be smitten, or of his followers praying thusly?
Actually, ER, in the book of Acts, Peter rebukes a couple who were stealing from the till, and they died as punishment. . .
Why, that's right. So, the question is: Did the writer of Acts intend that to be an example for others to follow, or an example of the extraordinary faith and power of the Apostles?
But on another hand: Annanias and Sapphira were believers, not "enemies" of Christ or the Church. Selfish. Dishonest, perhaps. Conniving. But not enemies, per se, *and* part of the community of believers.
Actually, it looks to me like Ananias died at the hand of God, and Peter, observing this, described what was happening to Sapphira when she showed up. Did Peter actually rebuke them, or merely watch God at work?
In any case, Peter doesn't seem to haver wielded power like Harry Potter with his wand, yelling "Avada Kedravra!"
In any case, Peter doesn't seem to haver wielded power like Harry Potter with his wand, yelling "Avada Kedravra!"
Heck, I hope the Southern Baptist elect this guy. It might finally break that last small cord between the reasonable Baptist and Texas Usurpers and their campfollowers who hyjacked the Demnomination two decades ago. Make the split deep and wide like the river in the old song.
Hey Kev, remember God helps those that help themselves. Just follow that smell of horse shit and the pony will be along that path somewhere. And if you can't find the the pony, gather up the horse manure, sell it and buy one and then you can come out and ride it on my boat with me and my pony if I had one.
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