Rev. Erudite Redneck, B.S., B.S., M.A., M.Div.

You have the axis wrong; civil liberty isn't a right/left issue, as a substantial portion of the left crowd with their speech codes and calls for "cultural sensitivity" demonstrate.

http://cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6330

Cato Institute isn't full of bleeding hearts.
 

There is a little more back story on these "Germans" who were convicted for sedition. Many were straight out of Germany, recruited to the wheat belt of the plains states by the railroad companies to buy the RR's lands and produce a crop for the RRs to haul to market. They were settled together in communities and towns and thus formed small enclaves of Germany all along the RRs. Oklahoma had the same pattern. In Western Oklahoma the city of Korn was about 101% German. Feelings against them was so hard that they changed the name of the town from Korn to Corn as a show of patriotism.

I had a friend that worked at OCU in OKC in the late 1970's. He helped the "International" students apply to stay and survive in that University, as a University employee. A good 50% of his students were from Iran.

When the Iranian hostage situation occured, these students almost became hostage in this country.
They couldn't go out to eat, to get gas, or to the grocery store without getting harrassed. They were scared stiff of having to go back to Iran, but at the same time they weren't wanted here either.
They were expelled by the thousands from America. It was not a good time to be Iranian in America.

When the OKC bombing occured the first thing we did here was blame the "Arabs". There were even hate crimes comitted against some "middle eastern" types in OKC. Then we found out it was one of our own blue-eyed blond haired patriots that had massacred our own men-women-children and unborn.

We should NEVER feel superior to these folks in the past that segregated the Blacks, ghettoed the Chinese, imprisoned the Germans, intered the Japanese, or what ever. We can fight it and we will strive. We will do no better. In fact we may have already done worse.

It is not a right or left issue, it is a lizard brain versus human brain issue. Xenophobia is a lizard brain function.
 

TStock, yer riught, of course, but I don't think I've ever heard of a lefty calling for the return of sedition laws.

Drlobojo, I grieve for the Indian swastika. Also, when I started at Oklahoma State in '88, there was still an Iranian hanging in effigy at a you-pull-um car part yard I frequented. Confession: When the U.S. strafed Khaddafi, killing his girl, some of us on the collegepaper, located all 13 Libyan students on campus. Just so we'd know who they were. Oh, my red neck was among those that glowed in the hours after the OKC bombing: I distinctly remember, to my embarassment, the term "towel heads."
 

"I don't think I've ever heard of a lefty calling for the return of sedition laws."...said ER.

Maybe so, but a lot of both sides (WITH A LOT OF LIBERALS) voted for the patriot act, that pretty close isn't it? It was the Librarians etc. that had to pull them up by the short hairs and say now wait just a minute.
 

A lot of Dems voted for it, yes. I actually don't know what the real lefties in Congress did.

Scared people do stipid sh-t. The true shame is that when emotions cooled, they didn't reject the thing and start the heck over.
 

Teditor says hi, from teditor.blogspot.com. Check it out.
 

d.daddio:

World War I, not World War II. Learn to read.

The right wing is not limited, in history, to the Republican Party. Learn some history.

Don't be a jerk. Learn some manners.
 

Y'all, it's my fault that a junkyard dog got in. My bad.

Carry on, d.daddio. The floor is your'n.
 

Oh, and I mean everyday people and regular commenters here. 'Cause I jump ugly on the alleged president all the time, and on James Dobson once in awhile.

Carry on.
 

You're not making sense. Liberal revisionists? That's Izard County paranoia talkin'.

And, if yer at war yerself, with all liberals all the time, well, I shouldnt've stopped by. You should feel free to stay to yer side of the blogopshere, too.

Or not. Makes me no never mind.

But you try to actually make sense and not just rant. Rantin' gets ignored a lot here.
 

ER, I'm glad that you and D.Daddio have encountered each other.

I was getting tired of trying to set you straight all by me-self...
 

Tug! Based on my limited encounters with the Arky, you seem like a dadgum liberal one-worlder in comparison!


Tell him, though, for me, that I like to keep it civil 'round here, not for myself -- for I gar-untee ya I can hold forth with the reddest necks anywhere -- but for the womenfolk and sensitive type fellas who do hang out here, where ALL are welcome.
 

No, ER, his views and mine line up pretty well.

He takes the direct approach, wheras I prefer to use sarcasm and tact.

Both methods are effective.

In any case, the truth is the truth, however it is presented.

I totally agree with you on the civility point, though. That is the reason that I still like you, even though we do not agree idealogically.

Sparring and jabbing is one thing. Personal attacks are another.

We play nice. (Most of the time.)

Everyone should.
 

Whereas?

How DO you spell that?
 

And on the subject of playing nice, (this applies to you too, Daddio, ) it always helps to remember who and what we really are.

An Okie, and an Arkie, and a transplanted NC Hillbilly trying to transform himself into a Florida Cracker, arguing broad, complicated concepts on the internet in our spare time for fun.

None of us creates National Policy, other than through the power of our one measely vote.

We are just talking.
 

Good point, mu amigo. (Y mi amigo en Cristi , whether all accept me into fellowship ir not!)

.. and I think ya done already got that Florida Cracker thing down pat ... ;-)

So, do y'all noodle in NC?
 

Not much.

You will occasionally encounter the rare Redneck who has done it a time or two in NC, but not very often.

I knew what it was before I checked out the link that you provided, but I personally have never done it.

It's a lot more prevalent in Florida than in NC. I work with a couple of Turtle eatin', Coon trappin', Aligator Wrestlin' Noodlers right here in Tampa.

I wouldn't want to have to kick their butts...
 

d dad said: "If a return to sedition laws was indeed occuring in this present era of war, our prisons would be full of liberal Democratic political whores!"

Now this brilliant political analysis is what makes America so strong. With out freedom of speech, people would keep quite and we would never really know who the over-the-top dufasses are. We used have to say things to our friends and neighbors face to face. That's what got these old boys in Montana in trouble in WWI. But now anyone can dribble in the name of free speech and not even have to show his face, just his ass.
 

And I would never exclude you from Fellowship my friend, no matter how misgiuded you become.

In order for Christian Witness to occur, one has to admit that there is such thing as Sin (Beyond the sins of Selfishness and Judgementalism, which your "Church" seems to have no problem pointing out in people who disagree with the particular Doctrine that they practice, if you, lately, are any example of the overall attitude there.)

Jesus did not preach Wimpiness and acceptance of Sinful Abomination, nor did He preach Rebellion against God.

We were given the whole Bible for a reason, ER.

Parts of The Old Testament read like an owner's manual for the human body, and no one can argue the fact that if the principles outlined there were followed strictly by all Human Beings, a whole host of problems, syndroms, and even diseases that we face in our society would never have bothered us in the first place.

That's what God intended.

The New Testament indeed represents a new covenant between God and Mankind, and was intended to replace the Legalism that the Old Testament demanded.

It did not, however, erase the existance of the concept of Sin, nor did it excuse us of the responsibility of pointing out destructive behavior engaged in by members of our Society, nor did it excuse us of the responsibility of proclaiming the advantages of leading a virtuous life, and of adhereing to the guidelines set forth in God's Laws, outlined in the Old Testament.

We are here to uplift our fellow man, to help him find his way to God, and to combat evil in our Society.

That means fighting for what is right, from time to time.

I am Praying for you, my friend.

One of us is right about all of this, and I pray that God will convict the other one of his mistakes, and seperate him from the misleading influences that have caused him to stray from the teachings of the Bible.
 

Whichever one of us that may be...
 

Re, "We were given the whole Bible for a reason, ER."

As IF "the Bible" floated down out of the sky, where God is, ya know -- NOT -- complete and perfect!

Sheesh. Tugster, oh never mind ... I loves me some Bible. And I believe it CONTAINS the Gospel truth -- but it itself is NOT the Gospel.

All prayers accepted. But if yer prayin' that I'll see the light, don't bother. I see it more each and every day. And it's this: GRACE is greater than all our sin. Jesus LOVES me. And you. Repentence is between God and a believer.

The rest of all this doctrine crap is just that: crap.

And if I thought one of us was right and one of us was wrong, I might be worried. But I'm not. Because each of is on our own journey. Ane while the trailhead for both of us starts at the Cross, the gettin' there part is different for everyone, not just you and me.

That ain't New Age, dude. It's as old as the hills. Christianity is not a set of beliefs and details and doctrinal jots and tittles. It's The Way -- of life.

Swing open the doors to the churches and let ALL come in. Hug ALL their necks. If the Holy Spirit is present -- and believe me, brother, He is THERE in Mayflower -- He will convict as He sees fit -- not me.
 

ER said:
"It's The Way -- of life."
You all be careful out there on those "ways". Some are falsely marked and others should have signs that say "Here be Dragons".