Tuesday, May 23, 2006
2 Chronicles 7:14 and "a pious mistake'
I love Edward Fudge's "gracEmails." I consider him sort of a spiritual "erudite redneck," straddling two worlds:
The biblical literalist one that seems to reflect his origins and the wider, expanded one that always is the salvation, pardon the pun, of the Church as it finds its way and continues to renew itself and its relevance.
Take that, please, as ER's introduction to the following. The question seems sort of silly to me, and I'm sure it will to many regulars here. However, Fudge handles it with ... well, with grace.
His answer seems obvious -- but it most certainly is *not* obvious to those who, wrapped in false senses of security, worship their own particular concepts of God rather than worhiping God with all awe at the mysteries, their doubts, anxieties and questions out on the table -- the Communion Table, if you will -- where they belong.
I don't particularly accept the concept of God punishing nations for the sins of "a people," although I do accept that the results of selfishness, which is the root of all sin, can lead to consequences that, while quite natural, can be seen as punitive. But I like this gracEmail anyway -- mainly because of the last paragraph.
--ER
(gracEmail) 2 CHRONICLES 7:14
Edward Fudge
May 23, 2006
2 CHRONICLES 7:14
A gracEmail subscriber asks whether God's conditional promise in 2 Chronicles 7:14 to forgive his people and to heal their land applies today to Christians living in the United States of America.
In this passage King Solomon has just dedicated the Temple and God appears to the king at night to assure him that he will hear prayers offered from this place (2 Chron. 7:12-18). For example, suppose that God's covenant people Israel commit sin and God punishes them with drought, locust or disease. If they then repent, turn to God and reform their ways, God will forgive them and remove the punishment. This is the way God stated it: "If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I sent pestilence among My people, and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Today we frequently hear people quote the second half of this promise (verse 14) while omitting the first half (13). In this way, they suggest that if Christians living within a nation (such as the USA or elsewhere) humbly seek God in prayer that God will remedy the ills that plague their land and restore the nation to divine favor. Certainly God still forgives sinners in any nation who repent, turn to him and reform their ways. However, no nationality of people today can rightly claim to be God's covenant people in God's promised land. "My people" in verse 14 therefore does not mean Americans as such, or New Zealanders or Italians or the Swiss. If this passage did fit any nation today, "My people" would not be citizens of that nation in general but Christian believers within that nation. However, in that case this promise would mean only that if the Church within a nation went into sin and was suffering temporal judgment as a result, that God would forgive those believers and remove their judgment if they truly repented and changed their ways.
It is a pious mistake, it seems to me, to lift statements and promises addressed to ancient Israel as God's covenant people living in his promised land and to apply them to any nation of people living today. A better Scripture supporting the abiding value of intercessory prayer for one's nation today would be Jeremiah 29:7, a word addressed to the Jews taken captive by Babylon some 300 years after Solomon: "Seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the LORD on its behalf; for in its peace you will have peace." Wherever we live, we can pray for the well being of our city or town, county or township, district or state, country or nation. To the extent that God blesses our neighbors, we will share in the benefits. However, we must always remember that our citizenship is in heaven, that God is not an American, and that our own country exists before God on exactly the same level with every other country around this fallen world.
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Copyright 2006 by Edward Fudge. Permission hereby granted to reprint this gracEmail in its entirety without change, with credit given and not for financial profit. Visit our multimedia website at www.EdwardFudge.com .
The biblical literalist one that seems to reflect his origins and the wider, expanded one that always is the salvation, pardon the pun, of the Church as it finds its way and continues to renew itself and its relevance.
Take that, please, as ER's introduction to the following. The question seems sort of silly to me, and I'm sure it will to many regulars here. However, Fudge handles it with ... well, with grace.
His answer seems obvious -- but it most certainly is *not* obvious to those who, wrapped in false senses of security, worship their own particular concepts of God rather than worhiping God with all awe at the mysteries, their doubts, anxieties and questions out on the table -- the Communion Table, if you will -- where they belong.
I don't particularly accept the concept of God punishing nations for the sins of "a people," although I do accept that the results of selfishness, which is the root of all sin, can lead to consequences that, while quite natural, can be seen as punitive. But I like this gracEmail anyway -- mainly because of the last paragraph.
--ER
(gracEmail) 2 CHRONICLES 7:14
Edward Fudge
May 23, 2006
2 CHRONICLES 7:14
A gracEmail subscriber asks whether God's conditional promise in 2 Chronicles 7:14 to forgive his people and to heal their land applies today to Christians living in the United States of America.
In this passage King Solomon has just dedicated the Temple and God appears to the king at night to assure him that he will hear prayers offered from this place (2 Chron. 7:12-18). For example, suppose that God's covenant people Israel commit sin and God punishes them with drought, locust or disease. If they then repent, turn to God and reform their ways, God will forgive them and remove the punishment. This is the way God stated it: "If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I sent pestilence among My people, and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
Today we frequently hear people quote the second half of this promise (verse 14) while omitting the first half (13). In this way, they suggest that if Christians living within a nation (such as the USA or elsewhere) humbly seek God in prayer that God will remedy the ills that plague their land and restore the nation to divine favor. Certainly God still forgives sinners in any nation who repent, turn to him and reform their ways. However, no nationality of people today can rightly claim to be God's covenant people in God's promised land. "My people" in verse 14 therefore does not mean Americans as such, or New Zealanders or Italians or the Swiss. If this passage did fit any nation today, "My people" would not be citizens of that nation in general but Christian believers within that nation. However, in that case this promise would mean only that if the Church within a nation went into sin and was suffering temporal judgment as a result, that God would forgive those believers and remove their judgment if they truly repented and changed their ways.
It is a pious mistake, it seems to me, to lift statements and promises addressed to ancient Israel as God's covenant people living in his promised land and to apply them to any nation of people living today. A better Scripture supporting the abiding value of intercessory prayer for one's nation today would be Jeremiah 29:7, a word addressed to the Jews taken captive by Babylon some 300 years after Solomon: "Seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the LORD on its behalf; for in its peace you will have peace." Wherever we live, we can pray for the well being of our city or town, county or township, district or state, country or nation. To the extent that God blesses our neighbors, we will share in the benefits. However, we must always remember that our citizenship is in heaven, that God is not an American, and that our own country exists before God on exactly the same level with every other country around this fallen world.
___________________
Copyright 2006 by Edward Fudge. Permission hereby granted to reprint this gracEmail in its entirety without change, with credit given and not for financial profit. Visit our multimedia website at www.EdwardFudge.com .
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Fudge said
"To the extent that God blesses our neighbors, we will share in the benefits."
Sounds like the trickle down theory of blessings.
God originally gave his people the Ark Of the Covenant (which held the covenant), as a device to keep them together and draw them to a single place of worship and to a single leader.
The Temple (in which the Ark was placed) however has always seemed to be a way for his people of capturing God and drawing him down to earth so that he will be under obligation to honor the sacrifices brought to him.
Within Solomon's own reign the Temple will be desecrated by temple prostitutes (male and female) and in many other ways.
Solomon will build in Jerusalem other Pagan temples with which to please his wives. When we look to a leader on earth they can not but fail. No mattter what kind of leader they are.
Fudge says we are citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven. It is the wrong model. Jesus says the Kingdom of heaven is with you.
And all the assembled readers said :Amen.
"To the extent that God blesses our neighbors, we will share in the benefits."
Sounds like the trickle down theory of blessings.
God originally gave his people the Ark Of the Covenant (which held the covenant), as a device to keep them together and draw them to a single place of worship and to a single leader.
The Temple (in which the Ark was placed) however has always seemed to be a way for his people of capturing God and drawing him down to earth so that he will be under obligation to honor the sacrifices brought to him.
Within Solomon's own reign the Temple will be desecrated by temple prostitutes (male and female) and in many other ways.
Solomon will build in Jerusalem other Pagan temples with which to please his wives. When we look to a leader on earth they can not but fail. No mattter what kind of leader they are.
Fudge says we are citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven. It is the wrong model. Jesus says the Kingdom of heaven is with you.
And all the assembled readers said :Amen.
It does rain on the just and unjust. So it makes sense that blessings would fall around, as well. Trickle down fits the spiritual metaphor better than the economic theory.
And I'm with you on the Kingdom of Heaven. It is "at hand." Within us, yes. The citizenship idea *does* suggest the kind of "Christian nationalism," on jingoism, that has caused about as much death as new life over the centuries.
And I'm with you on the Kingdom of Heaven. It is "at hand." Within us, yes. The citizenship idea *does* suggest the kind of "Christian nationalism," on jingoism, that has caused about as much death as new life over the centuries.
ER said:
"Trickle down fits the spiritual metaphor better than the economic theory."
Well if the Kingdom of God is within you, what trickles down on the out side may not be relevant.
It is sort of like a lot of christians are praying to two gods.
One is a day to day god, that deals with biological, economic, and political matters, and one is cosmic god that deals with the soul, heavan, and eternal matters.
"Trickle down fits the spiritual metaphor better than the economic theory."
Well if the Kingdom of God is within you, what trickles down on the out side may not be relevant.
It is sort of like a lot of christians are praying to two gods.
One is a day to day god, that deals with biological, economic, and political matters, and one is cosmic god that deals with the soul, heavan, and eternal matters.
I love this old hymn. Note it's not Benny Hinn-style "blessings" that the authors, Daniel Whittle and James McGraham, were talking about! "Mercy drops ... are falling ... but for the showers we plead!" Awesome language.
There shall be showers of blessing:
This is the promise of love;
There shall be seasons refreshing,
Sent from the Savior above.
Refrain
Showers of blessing,
Showers of blessing we need:
Mercy drops round us are falling,
But for the showers we plead.
There shall be showers of blessing,
Precious reviving again;
Over the hills and the valleys,
Sound of abundance of rain.
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing;
Send them upon us, O Lord;
Grant to us now a refreshing,
Come, and now honor Thy Word.
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing:
Oh, that today they might fall,
Now as to God we’re confessing,
Now as on Jesus we call!
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing,
If we but trust and obey;
There shall be seasons refreshing,
If we let God have His way.
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing:
This is the promise of love;
There shall be seasons refreshing,
Sent from the Savior above.
Refrain
Showers of blessing,
Showers of blessing we need:
Mercy drops round us are falling,
But for the showers we plead.
There shall be showers of blessing,
Precious reviving again;
Over the hills and the valleys,
Sound of abundance of rain.
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing;
Send them upon us, O Lord;
Grant to us now a refreshing,
Come, and now honor Thy Word.
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing:
Oh, that today they might fall,
Now as to God we’re confessing,
Now as on Jesus we call!
Refrain
There shall be showers of blessing,
If we but trust and obey;
There shall be seasons refreshing,
If we let God have His way.
Refrain
I would have thunk that "..God is not an American...." would have gotten you more comments than this.
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