Wednesday, November 23, 2005
Proud to be a gun-totin' Okie
This ain't a Thanksgivin' turkey shoot! This here is the Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot.
Click on. You will be amazed. This is recreational firearmin' at its best!
Woo hoo! Long live the Second Amendment!
Because one of these days, we will have to employ the Second Amendment in defense of the First!
--ER
Click on. You will be amazed. This is recreational firearmin' at its best!
Woo hoo! Long live the Second Amendment!
Because one of these days, we will have to employ the Second Amendment in defense of the First!
--ER
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ER, even you ain't that redneck. Unless that was you behind the video camera. :-)
That little girl's much more redneck that you'll ever be.
That little girl's much more redneck that you'll ever be.
Teditor, don't make me drive all the way hell out to No Man's Land just to kick yer Yankee ass. (Kansas, y'all.)
Actually, that was me and my first wife. ('Member, I's born in Arkiesaw)
Actually, that was me and my first wife. ('Member, I's born in Arkiesaw)
Ar-kin-saw, that's how it's pernounced, ain't it, ER.
Spelled, though, as Ar-Kansas. Jiss like Kansas.
If you're from Kansas, as I am, you are a Kansan.
If you're from Arkansas, as you are, you are an Arkansan, no matter how minny times you try to tell yerseff it's Arkansawyer.
And you call my neck of the woods No Man's Land. Sheesh! Actually, a am in No Man's Land, but I'll be north of No Man's Land in about 45 minutes. :-)
Spelled, though, as Ar-Kansas. Jiss like Kansas.
If you're from Kansas, as I am, you are a Kansan.
If you're from Arkansas, as you are, you are an Arkansan, no matter how minny times you try to tell yerseff it's Arkansawyer.
And you call my neck of the woods No Man's Land. Sheesh! Actually, a am in No Man's Land, but I'll be north of No Man's Land in about 45 minutes. :-)
Back on the subject at hand: I'd sure like to shoot somethin' with one of them modern-day Gatling guns until it blew up. How cool would THAT be?
Yeah, OK, here's the deal. I don't mind if hairy-backed goobers want to go out on someone's private land and shoot up cars. G'wan and do it, so long as no one is stupid enough to get kilt.
BUT.
It's just WRONG watching a sweet little girl handling a machine gun. Especially when she whispers that she has to go pee. WRONG I say.
No Trixie Points(c) for you.
BUT.
It's just WRONG watching a sweet little girl handling a machine gun. Especially when she whispers that she has to go pee. WRONG I say.
No Trixie Points(c) for you.
MAN, THAT WAS COOL!!
Although it has sparked a heated debate here at Tugboat Palace as to whether or not it was appropriate to let the little girl shoot the machine gun...
I don't see anything wrong with it as long as she is supervised, (which she obviously was,) and it is done at an appropriate place and time...
The wife doesn't agree, though...
She'll come around by the time we have young'uns...
(Maybe...)
Although it has sparked a heated debate here at Tugboat Palace as to whether or not it was appropriate to let the little girl shoot the machine gun...
I don't see anything wrong with it as long as she is supervised, (which she obviously was,) and it is done at an appropriate place and time...
The wife doesn't agree, though...
She'll come around by the time we have young'uns...
(Maybe...)
Not appropriate for a little girl OR a little boy.
Why?
Because GUNS ARE NOT TOYS. You can make a case for teaching a kid gun safety. You can make a case for teaching a kid to hunt, or even target shoot. But I'm sorry, encouraging little kids to think of guns as toys--which is basically what that is--uh-uhnh.
Why?
Because GUNS ARE NOT TOYS. You can make a case for teaching a kid gun safety. You can make a case for teaching a kid to hunt, or even target shoot. But I'm sorry, encouraging little kids to think of guns as toys--which is basically what that is--uh-uhnh.
Of course, I disagree.
Guns CAN be toys. A gun is a toy when it is used to shoot skeet, or at targets, or at a can set atop a fence post.
It might also be a device for measuring marksmanship. But it is primarily a toy in those instances, meant to give pleasure -- in the same way that a cement block, which can be used to kill, is a toy when used, say, to be part of a fort, or a sharp hoe is used as a lance, or a real hammer is used by a boy pretending to be a carpenter.
So, nope. This was an organized event -- not just a bunch of goobers shootin' at cans in their backyard.
No more disturbing to see a kiddo involved in this than to see one helping rosin up bullriding glove at a rodeo, or being a gopher on a pit crew at a car race, a helper at a skeet shoot or a ringside assistant at a cockfight (before the assholes made it illegal).
I confess I didn't hear her say she had to go pee. But I probably would too after shootin' one of those things.
Guns CAN be toys. A gun is a toy when it is used to shoot skeet, or at targets, or at a can set atop a fence post.
It might also be a device for measuring marksmanship. But it is primarily a toy in those instances, meant to give pleasure -- in the same way that a cement block, which can be used to kill, is a toy when used, say, to be part of a fort, or a sharp hoe is used as a lance, or a real hammer is used by a boy pretending to be a carpenter.
So, nope. This was an organized event -- not just a bunch of goobers shootin' at cans in their backyard.
No more disturbing to see a kiddo involved in this than to see one helping rosin up bullriding glove at a rodeo, or being a gopher on a pit crew at a car race, a helper at a skeet shoot or a ringside assistant at a cockfight (before the assholes made it illegal).
I confess I didn't hear her say she had to go pee. But I probably would too after shootin' one of those things.
Nope, not toys, not ever. Guns are for killing. Not a game. If you hunt, great; I hope you eat what you shoot. If you target practice, fine; it's worth knowing how to handle a gun. But toys, no.
OK, B is right, strictly speaking, since a toy, by definition, is something meant to be played with. And guns, it is true, are not meant to be played with.
But, I still see no wrong in the child shooting the machine gun. It might even turn her off of guns forever. But that's just me -- and I ain't rushin' out to find a kid to take to one of those events.
But I might for dang sure go to one myself! If I could afford it. An expert in such matters said she spent about $100 worth of ammo in that short clip.
But, I still see no wrong in the child shooting the machine gun. It might even turn her off of guns forever. But that's just me -- and I ain't rushin' out to find a kid to take to one of those events.
But I might for dang sure go to one myself! If I could afford it. An expert in such matters said she spent about $100 worth of ammo in that short clip.
My argument on the machine gun in that particular video would be that the event is clearly meant to be wantonly destructive, that she's shooting at a *car* (presumably without a driver in it, but still, cars usually have drivers), and that a machine gun, in particular, isn't about developing any kind of skill with the firearm, but just about random shooting. The entire event is about guns as play, and I don't think that's a great idea for kids.
Plus, machine guns? Too reminiscent of WWI. Too much about war and indiscriminate killing. Can't go there. Some things are, in the secular sense of the word, sacred.
Plus, machine guns? Too reminiscent of WWI. Too much about war and indiscriminate killing. Can't go there. Some things are, in the secular sense of the word, sacred.
Wanton destruction of trash is bad how? It was obviously a junk car.
I'm pretty sure the event had a big political element: A deliberate expression of freedom, in a controlled environment, and a collective big eff-you to anti-gun legislation in general. But, I wasn't there; it might not have been any more political than a Texas anvil shoot.
And, everyone brings their own assumptions and perspectives to it, I suppose. I didn't think of World War I. I thought of the frontier artillery, which is why I referred to as a "Gatling gun," not a "Maxim gun."
I'm pretty sure the event had a big political element: A deliberate expression of freedom, in a controlled environment, and a collective big eff-you to anti-gun legislation in general. But, I wasn't there; it might not have been any more political than a Texas anvil shoot.
And, everyone brings their own assumptions and perspectives to it, I suppose. I didn't think of World War I. I thought of the frontier artillery, which is why I referred to as a "Gatling gun," not a "Maxim gun."
Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm the only poster here with any amount of redneck. The rest of ya'll with a rural background seem to have been suburbanized or something.
Sure, guns are toys. Ain't nothin' better as a kid than wanderin' around out in the country with a hand-me-down .22, shooting tweety birds, cans, bottles, etc. Or challenging buddies to hit impossible targets (ie a tall piece of bahia at 50 yards, a lone leaf on a far away tree). To say that guns aren't toys is silly. For rural America, guns sure-as-shootin' are toys. You can disagree with it, you can write your senator in protest, but the fact remains.
Sure, guns are toys. Ain't nothin' better as a kid than wanderin' around out in the country with a hand-me-down .22, shooting tweety birds, cans, bottles, etc. Or challenging buddies to hit impossible targets (ie a tall piece of bahia at 50 yards, a lone leaf on a far away tree). To say that guns aren't toys is silly. For rural America, guns sure-as-shootin' are toys. You can disagree with it, you can write your senator in protest, but the fact remains.
And Dr. B, it takes more skill than you are giving machine gunners credit for. It is not just 'random shooting'.
When I ran the clip on my daughters computer, I got an audience very quickly. I got one "cool" and four "what the hell are you watching"s.
Rending gone something with an automatic is in the relm of: you have to do it to understand the power of it.
On the other hand, late in the clip, some dude, in the background, shot off a magazine from an AK-47. That was enough of a chillsome backflash to remind me of why I don't do guns anymore (except for blackpowder). The effect is sublime when you'er on the firing end. It is cold flat fear when you are on the other end.
By the way some of those on the firing end of the AK-47s while I lay, once upon a time long long ago and far far away, face down in the night soiled water of a patty or dust of a road, weren't too much older than the girl in the clip.
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Rending gone something with an automatic is in the relm of: you have to do it to understand the power of it.
On the other hand, late in the clip, some dude, in the background, shot off a magazine from an AK-47. That was enough of a chillsome backflash to remind me of why I don't do guns anymore (except for blackpowder). The effect is sublime when you'er on the firing end. It is cold flat fear when you are on the other end.
By the way some of those on the firing end of the AK-47s while I lay, once upon a time long long ago and far far away, face down in the night soiled water of a patty or dust of a road, weren't too much older than the girl in the clip.
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