Tuesday, October 18, 2005
Open mic
This is my last day off before going back to work. I am desperately trying to get a short historical article done. So, my mind is preoccupied. Y'all run the joint today.
Anything goes. Usual standards apply: Keep the F-word to a minimum, and don't attack each other, or me, personally. But feel free to thrown down any idea and whip its ass.
Here's a few bits of red meat to get started on:
1. Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and the Bush administration will (skate, teeter, take a direct hit, fill-in-the-blank) this week when the grand jury reveals its findings.
2. The war in Iraq is -----.
3. The election in Iraq is -----.
4. The ought-6 elections here will -----.
5. Cats -----.
6. Crayola, the crayon people, discontinued "flesh" as a crayon color in what year? And why? (There happens to be a box sittin' here on my desk).
7. Pick another topic.
Discuss.
--ER
Anything goes. Usual standards apply: Keep the F-word to a minimum, and don't attack each other, or me, personally. But feel free to thrown down any idea and whip its ass.
Here's a few bits of red meat to get started on:
1. Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and the Bush administration will (skate, teeter, take a direct hit, fill-in-the-blank) this week when the grand jury reveals its findings.
2. The war in Iraq is -----.
3. The election in Iraq is -----.
4. The ought-6 elections here will -----.
5. Cats -----.
6. Crayola, the crayon people, discontinued "flesh" as a crayon color in what year? And why? (There happens to be a box sittin' here on my desk).
7. Pick another topic.
Discuss.
--ER
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Woo hoo. I'm off high cneter!
BIG PASTURE. The Big Pasture Reserve, 480,000 acres along the Red River in present Comanche and Tillman counties, served as a geographical, political and economic bridge tying Indian communal landholding to the open-range cattle business and white settlement to Oklahoma statehood.
(First draft. Nice strong verb ... subject-verb-object ... chronological outline ... sorta teases ... bridge metaphor (simile?) muight could be bettered. But I'm on my way! Woo hoo!) The don't-wannas suck. I shoulda done this months ago!
--ER
--ER
BIG PASTURE. The Big Pasture Reserve, 480,000 acres along the Red River in present Comanche and Tillman counties, served as a geographical, political and economic bridge tying Indian communal landholding to the open-range cattle business and white settlement to Oklahoma statehood.
(First draft. Nice strong verb ... subject-verb-object ... chronological outline ... sorta teases ... bridge metaphor (simile?) muight could be bettered. But I'm on my way! Woo hoo!) The don't-wannas suck. I shoulda done this months ago!
--ER
--ER
I can count. I just choose not to do so. So ... Trix, if train A leaves the station in New York at 2 p.m. heading west at 35 mph and train B leaves the station in Chicago heading east at 55 mph, what time is it in L.A.?
Oh, this is good. Hit the spot with me today.
(Somebody send this to Patriot over at Tech's place, and to Dead to Self over at Tug's place, and to anybody else who seems to need it!!! (He said in the spirit of phileo.) )
Subject: Soul Work Is Slow Work
Date: For the Week of October 17, 2005
We're spoiled to "instant" things. Instant messaging. Instant coffee. Instant photos. Instant rice. Instant access. Instant results. You get my drift, right? I'm as bad as most and worse than many about the desire for quick outcomes.
While I can defend the value of quick turnaround in many settings, I think it serves me poorly for the most part. It caters to my impatience. No, it serves to magnify my impatience. Not every destination can be reached by a shortcut.
Most of the people I know want to have a good reputation. But that can lead to the shortcut path of doing a good thing for the wrong reason. Doing it to get noticed. Being conspicuous with a gift for the sake of being honored. Building real character as the foundation for a good reputation is a slow thing that takes place over time and without calling attention to oneself. It can take an entire lifetime.
Churches may be the worst offenders of all. We have been given important things to do in this world. We have a mission from Jesus himself to tell everybody about the good news of God's love. For most churches, this seems to translate to filling up our church buildings and making a splash in our communities. So we get loud, bully our own members, and elbow our way into the consciousness of people who've made it clear they aren't that interested in what we are doing.
Both individual believers and whole communities of Christians seem to fall prey to the temptation. We try to get God's results with the devil's methods. We market to someone's felt needs. Manipulate him with a Christian version of ads that worked in the last political campaign. Manipulate her with guilt into joining a study group or attending a weekend retreat. Something fishy is going on here.
Authentic faith doesn't lend itself to slogans. Doesn't advance by mass marketing. Doesn't transform hearts and lives over a long weekend. Spiritual life is created through a personal relationship with God, nurtured in churches where people challenge and encourage one another, and brought to maturity through struggle and failure over time. There are no shortcuts. The growth of souls in love and faith, joy and peace, self-control and uprightness is slow work.
So be patient with yourself and others. Be skeptical of pat answers and shortcuts but open to struggle and questions. Don't get fixated on programs for your spiritual growth, but focus instead on caring about others and helping them.
Right where you are today is where God wants to start to build you into a person who will reflect his nature. He won't rush you. Be patient with yourself.
For back issues and other resources please visit www.RubelShelly.com
---- The FAX of Life is a free weekly service from Rubel Shelly and the Family of God at Woodmont Hills.
(Somebody send this to Patriot over at Tech's place, and to Dead to Self over at Tug's place, and to anybody else who seems to need it!!! (He said in the spirit of phileo.) )
Subject: Soul Work Is Slow Work
Date: For the Week of October 17, 2005
We're spoiled to "instant" things. Instant messaging. Instant coffee. Instant photos. Instant rice. Instant access. Instant results. You get my drift, right? I'm as bad as most and worse than many about the desire for quick outcomes.
While I can defend the value of quick turnaround in many settings, I think it serves me poorly for the most part. It caters to my impatience. No, it serves to magnify my impatience. Not every destination can be reached by a shortcut.
Most of the people I know want to have a good reputation. But that can lead to the shortcut path of doing a good thing for the wrong reason. Doing it to get noticed. Being conspicuous with a gift for the sake of being honored. Building real character as the foundation for a good reputation is a slow thing that takes place over time and without calling attention to oneself. It can take an entire lifetime.
Churches may be the worst offenders of all. We have been given important things to do in this world. We have a mission from Jesus himself to tell everybody about the good news of God's love. For most churches, this seems to translate to filling up our church buildings and making a splash in our communities. So we get loud, bully our own members, and elbow our way into the consciousness of people who've made it clear they aren't that interested in what we are doing.
Both individual believers and whole communities of Christians seem to fall prey to the temptation. We try to get God's results with the devil's methods. We market to someone's felt needs. Manipulate him with a Christian version of ads that worked in the last political campaign. Manipulate her with guilt into joining a study group or attending a weekend retreat. Something fishy is going on here.
Authentic faith doesn't lend itself to slogans. Doesn't advance by mass marketing. Doesn't transform hearts and lives over a long weekend. Spiritual life is created through a personal relationship with God, nurtured in churches where people challenge and encourage one another, and brought to maturity through struggle and failure over time. There are no shortcuts. The growth of souls in love and faith, joy and peace, self-control and uprightness is slow work.
So be patient with yourself and others. Be skeptical of pat answers and shortcuts but open to struggle and questions. Don't get fixated on programs for your spiritual growth, but focus instead on caring about others and helping them.
Right where you are today is where God wants to start to build you into a person who will reflect his nature. He won't rush you. Be patient with yourself.
For back issues and other resources please visit www.RubelShelly.com
---- The FAX of Life is a free weekly service from Rubel Shelly and the Family of God at Woodmont Hills.
Hrm. 2125 words done. Four footnotes. Seven sources cited. 11:36 a.m. in Indian Territory. Time for lunch for me and Ice-T. :-)
--ER
--ER
Is there anything in your research about a mexican girl named Tomasa taken captive and raised by the Comanche tribe near Ft.Sill?
JOB OPENING.
(Clinton should get this.)
WASHINGTON, DC—In response to increasing criticism of his handling of the war in Iraq and the disaster in the Gulf Coast, as well as other issues, such as Social Security reform, the national deficit, and rising gas prices, President Bush is expected to appoint someone to run the U.S. as soon as Friday.
"During these tumultuous times, America is in need of a bold, resolute person who can get the job done," said Bush during a press conference Monday. "My fellow Americans, I assure you that I will appoint just such a person with all due haste."
The Cabinet-level position, to be known as Secretary of the Nation, was established by an executive order Sept. 2, but has remained unfilled in the intervening weeks.
"I've been talking to folks from all across this country, from Louisiana to Los Angeles, and people tell me the same thing: This nation needs a strong, compassionate leader," Bush said. "In response to these concerns, I'm making this a top priority. I will name a good, qualified person as soon as possible."
Among the new secretary's duties are preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States, commanding the U.S. armed forces, appointing judges and ambassadors, and vetoing congressional legislation. The secretary will also be tasked with overseeing all foreign and domestic affairs, including those relating to the economy, natural disasters, national infrastructure, homeland security, poverty, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The secretary will report directly to the president.
(From www.theonion.com)
:-)
--ER
(Clinton should get this.)
WASHINGTON, DC—In response to increasing criticism of his handling of the war in Iraq and the disaster in the Gulf Coast, as well as other issues, such as Social Security reform, the national deficit, and rising gas prices, President Bush is expected to appoint someone to run the U.S. as soon as Friday.
"During these tumultuous times, America is in need of a bold, resolute person who can get the job done," said Bush during a press conference Monday. "My fellow Americans, I assure you that I will appoint just such a person with all due haste."
The Cabinet-level position, to be known as Secretary of the Nation, was established by an executive order Sept. 2, but has remained unfilled in the intervening weeks.
"I've been talking to folks from all across this country, from Louisiana to Los Angeles, and people tell me the same thing: This nation needs a strong, compassionate leader," Bush said. "In response to these concerns, I'm making this a top priority. I will name a good, qualified person as soon as possible."
Among the new secretary's duties are preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States, commanding the U.S. armed forces, appointing judges and ambassadors, and vetoing congressional legislation. The secretary will also be tasked with overseeing all foreign and domestic affairs, including those relating to the economy, natural disasters, national infrastructure, homeland security, poverty, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The secretary will report directly to the president.
(From www.theonion.com)
:-)
--ER
Yo, Kris, re: Tomasa:
"Joseph Chandler was a white man who had long been associated with the Indians of the Wichita-Caddo and Comanche-Kiowa agencies. He is said to have been a native of Indiana and was born about 1823. He immigrated to Arkansas in his young manhood and later immigrated to the frontier of Texas, where he became a ranchman and, as a contractor, supplied beef to the Government Indian agencies on the Brazos. When the Indian tribes of those reservations were removed to the valley of the Washita, in 1859, he accompanied them and remained in the Indian Territory. He married Tomasa, a Mexican girl, who had been captured by the Comanches in early childhood and had been reared among them. A part of the story of their romantic courtship and marriage is related in Lawrie Tatum’s 'Our Red Brothers,' pp. 60-1."
From: http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v006/v006p483.html, footnote 30.
The Tatum book, first published in 1899, was reprinted in the 1970s and should be in the Lawton library.
--ER
"Joseph Chandler was a white man who had long been associated with the Indians of the Wichita-Caddo and Comanche-Kiowa agencies. He is said to have been a native of Indiana and was born about 1823. He immigrated to Arkansas in his young manhood and later immigrated to the frontier of Texas, where he became a ranchman and, as a contractor, supplied beef to the Government Indian agencies on the Brazos. When the Indian tribes of those reservations were removed to the valley of the Washita, in 1859, he accompanied them and remained in the Indian Territory. He married Tomasa, a Mexican girl, who had been captured by the Comanches in early childhood and had been reared among them. A part of the story of their romantic courtship and marriage is related in Lawrie Tatum’s 'Our Red Brothers,' pp. 60-1."
From: http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v006/v006p483.html, footnote 30.
The Tatum book, first published in 1899, was reprinted in the 1970s and should be in the Lawton library.
--ER
Four words fer ya:
Kiss my butt.
(Snicker).
OK. Back to work. Grrrr. Got to go into the office this evening. They just CAN'T get along this long without me! Pbhth.
--ER
Kiss my butt.
(Snicker).
OK. Back to work. Grrrr. Got to go into the office this evening. They just CAN'T get along this long without me! Pbhth.
--ER
Trix, ER can count. He just can't type. :-)
I'm impressed with you, though. You got the puzzle correct. I didn't think you had it in ya.
ER, obviously work can get along just fine without us all, so just stay home. Take another sip of Dickel.
I'm impressed with you, though. You got the puzzle correct. I didn't think you had it in ya.
ER, obviously work can get along just fine without us all, so just stay home. Take another sip of Dickel.
Whoa. Trixie, sheee eeees a smaaaaart one!
She got and solved a puzzle I didn't even see! Trained observer, I am. Erudite, too.
Pshaw. :-) ... must get back to article ... post lunch nap beckons ... Ice-T is inspiring me ... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
--ER
She got and solved a puzzle I didn't even see! Trained observer, I am. Erudite, too.
Pshaw. :-) ... must get back to article ... post lunch nap beckons ... Ice-T is inspiring me ... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
--ER
Kris, here's another Tomasa mention:
"Although the Indians were disappointed in their hopes for 320-acre homesteads, seventeen squaw men were able to pull it off in a patently unfair fashion. The Treaty of Medicine Lodge had provided that heads of families prepared to undertake careers as farmers could have up to 320 acres set aside for them. Joseph Chandler had applied as early as 1871, acting in the name of his Comanche wife Tomasa, who after Chandler's death married George W. Conover. Other squaw men recognized this as a possible loophole that would enable them to double the size of allotments permitted under the Jerome Agreement. In 1898 three squaw men applied for 320-acre allotments, and two of them, William Wyatt and John Nestell, retained William C. Shelley to represent them. Fourteen others, including Quanah (Parker's) son-in-law Emmett Cox, also filed for 320 acres. Despite Agent Randlett's protest that the Indians would be upset 'and the world will decide with them, that there is no justice in making such alowance,' the squaw men retained their double allotments. It was yet another illustration of the white man's ability -- and drive -- to exploit the system to satisfy his lust for land. The Indian not only lacked the knowledge to manipulate the system, he lacked the white man's powerful urge to do so."
--from William T. Hagen, "United States-Comanche Relations: The Reservation Years" (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1976), 265-266.
Whoa. I used to work with a woman in Grandfield by the name of Wyatt, and I'll bet her husband was a grandson of the Wyatt mentioned above. That's what I loved about Oklahoma "history" -- it's still old family stories, for the most part.
--ER
"Although the Indians were disappointed in their hopes for 320-acre homesteads, seventeen squaw men were able to pull it off in a patently unfair fashion. The Treaty of Medicine Lodge had provided that heads of families prepared to undertake careers as farmers could have up to 320 acres set aside for them. Joseph Chandler had applied as early as 1871, acting in the name of his Comanche wife Tomasa, who after Chandler's death married George W. Conover. Other squaw men recognized this as a possible loophole that would enable them to double the size of allotments permitted under the Jerome Agreement. In 1898 three squaw men applied for 320-acre allotments, and two of them, William Wyatt and John Nestell, retained William C. Shelley to represent them. Fourteen others, including Quanah (Parker's) son-in-law Emmett Cox, also filed for 320 acres. Despite Agent Randlett's protest that the Indians would be upset 'and the world will decide with them, that there is no justice in making such alowance,' the squaw men retained their double allotments. It was yet another illustration of the white man's ability -- and drive -- to exploit the system to satisfy his lust for land. The Indian not only lacked the knowledge to manipulate the system, he lacked the white man's powerful urge to do so."
--from William T. Hagen, "United States-Comanche Relations: The Reservation Years" (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1976), 265-266.
Whoa. I used to work with a woman in Grandfield by the name of Wyatt, and I'll bet her husband was a grandson of the Wyatt mentioned above. That's what I loved about Oklahoma "history" -- it's still old family stories, for the most part.
--ER
Big Pasture, a.k.a. in Grandfield Oklahoma as Burk Burnett's North 100,000 acres. Part of the 6666 ranch under lease from the Comanche. Big pasture surrounded by 160 acre lots belonging to Comanche and Kiowas tribal members leased to Anglos for 99 years(say when do those leases expire?). The Big Pasture, Northern section of the Burk Boomtown Oil field, spotted with abandoned oil wells all over the place. Big Pasture place where Govenor Alfalfa Bill drew up the tanks at one end of a toll bridge to keep the Texas Rangers from taking it over. Case went to the U.S. Supreme Court, Oklahoma won the Red River to its South bank as part of the State. Big Pasture, home of the Big Pasture News, a weekly paper that had a famous editor name Perry White. Big Pasture, my home for a number of my formative years.
# posted by 
: 2:05 PM
: 2:05 PM
Things nevver heard in ER's home because they are things.... A Redneck Would Never Say...
* "I'll take Shakespeare for 2000, Alex."
* "Duct tape won't fix that."
* "We don't keep firearms in this house."
* "Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken."
* "Has anybody seen the sideburns trimmer?"
* "You can't feed THAT to the dog."
* "I thought Graceland was tacky."
* "No kids in the back of the pick-up, it's not safe!"
* "Wrasslin's fake."
* "Honey, did you mail that donation to Greenpeace?"
* "Honey, do these bonsai trees need watering?"
* "We're vegetarians."
* "Do you think my hair is too big?"
* "I'll have grapefruit instead of biscuits and gravy."
* "Who's Richard Petty?"
* "Get me the SMALL bag of pork rinds."
* "Deer heads detract from the decor."
* "Spitting is such a nasty habit."
* "I just couldn't find a thing at Wal-Mart today."
More Things A Redneck Would Never Say
* "Cappuccino tastes better than espresso."
* "The tires on that truck are too big."
* "I'll have the arugula and ridicchio salad."
* "Unsweetened tea tastes better."
* "Would you like your fish poached or broiled?"
* "My fiancée, Paula Jo, is registered at Tiffany's."
* "I've got two cases of Zima for the Super Bowl."
* "Little Debbie snack cakes have too many fat grams."
* "Checkmate."
* "She's too old to be wearing a bikini."
* "Does the salad bar have bean sprouts?"
* "Hey, here's an episode of 'Hee Haw' we haven't seen."
* "Those shorts ought to be a little longer, Darla."
* "Elvis who?"
* "Trim the fat off that steak."
* "I'll take Shakespeare for 2000, Alex."
* "Duct tape won't fix that."
* "We don't keep firearms in this house."
* "Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken."
* "Has anybody seen the sideburns trimmer?"
* "You can't feed THAT to the dog."
* "I thought Graceland was tacky."
* "No kids in the back of the pick-up, it's not safe!"
* "Wrasslin's fake."
* "Honey, did you mail that donation to Greenpeace?"
* "Honey, do these bonsai trees need watering?"
* "We're vegetarians."
* "Do you think my hair is too big?"
* "I'll have grapefruit instead of biscuits and gravy."
* "Who's Richard Petty?"
* "Get me the SMALL bag of pork rinds."
* "Deer heads detract from the decor."
* "Spitting is such a nasty habit."
* "I just couldn't find a thing at Wal-Mart today."
More Things A Redneck Would Never Say
* "Cappuccino tastes better than espresso."
* "The tires on that truck are too big."
* "I'll have the arugula and ridicchio salad."
* "Unsweetened tea tastes better."
* "Would you like your fish poached or broiled?"
* "My fiancée, Paula Jo, is registered at Tiffany's."
* "I've got two cases of Zima for the Super Bowl."
* "Little Debbie snack cakes have too many fat grams."
* "Checkmate."
* "She's too old to be wearing a bikini."
* "Does the salad bar have bean sprouts?"
* "Hey, here's an episode of 'Hee Haw' we haven't seen."
* "Those shorts ought to be a little longer, Darla."
* "Elvis who?"
* "Trim the fat off that steak."
# posted by : 2:09 PM
: 2:09 PM
Ah tell yew what, that Lil Debbie one is a hoot. ...
I am watchin' what I eat, and tryin' to force myself to exerise, because the dang cholesterol meds I was takin' were makin' me sore all the time and probably were causin' muscle wastage (they do that).
I did real good yesterday, until about 9 p.m. when I ate a double-decker Moon Pie. Banana. 20 seconds in the microwave. "Ahhhwww!" as Jerry Clower, bless him, used to say.
300 dadgum calories in a double-decker Moon Pie!
--ER
I am watchin' what I eat, and tryin' to force myself to exerise, because the dang cholesterol meds I was takin' were makin' me sore all the time and probably were causin' muscle wastage (they do that).
I did real good yesterday, until about 9 p.m. when I ate a double-decker Moon Pie. Banana. 20 seconds in the microwave. "Ahhhwww!" as Jerry Clower, bless him, used to say.
300 dadgum calories in a double-decker Moon Pie!
--ER
Great job ER,
Tomasa and Joseph Chandler had a son by the name Boone Chandler who was a type of go between in law enforcement, kinda like the BIA officers are today. Boone had daughter who was my grandfathers mother.
The great thing about all of this is Tomasa and Joseph were my great, great, great grandparents. Tomasa was put on the Comanche Tribal role and therefore I am on role as 1/8 Comanche Indian even though I am really 1/8 Mexican.
If you follow it further you will see that Tomasa and George Conover were influentual citizens in the early years of Anadarko, OK, I think George more so than Tomasa.
Thanks for the research time ER.
Tomasa and Joseph Chandler had a son by the name Boone Chandler who was a type of go between in law enforcement, kinda like the BIA officers are today. Boone had daughter who was my grandfathers mother.
The great thing about all of this is Tomasa and Joseph were my great, great, great grandparents. Tomasa was put on the Comanche Tribal role and therefore I am on role as 1/8 Comanche Indian even though I am really 1/8 Mexican.
If you follow it further you will see that Tomasa and George Conover were influentual citizens in the early years of Anadarko, OK, I think George more so than Tomasa.
Thanks for the research time ER.
Too cool! I figgered you was kin to 'em somehow.
Myself, I can find an entire branch of my fambly tree in Judge Parker's criminal court files from Fort Smith (now at the archives regional place at Fort Worth) -- and I don't mean they worked there!
Anybody that wonders about Oklahoma politics -- just realize we haven't been at it for that long! Hell, most of us are just barely civilized. :-)
--ER
Myself, I can find an entire branch of my fambly tree in Judge Parker's criminal court files from Fort Smith (now at the archives regional place at Fort Worth) -- and I don't mean they worked there!
Anybody that wonders about Oklahoma politics -- just realize we haven't been at it for that long! Hell, most of us are just barely civilized. :-)
--ER
1. Plotz.
2. A quagmire resting on a lie.
3. God only knows.
4. No idea.
5. Are lovely.
6. Dunno what year, but obviously because "flesh" comes in more than one color.
2. A quagmire resting on a lie.
3. God only knows.
4. No idea.
5. Are lovely.
6. Dunno what year, but obviously because "flesh" comes in more than one color.
Plotz? Glancing at definition ... explode? As in become finally so full of gas and waste and bile and s--- that it just blows plumb up? Mebbe so.
--ER
--ER
Bird just popped in and out on her way back from Texas to Stillwater and OSU (on fall break). Her Yankee beau apparently has plumbing similar to my own:
"He has to poop," she whispered to me. "He doesn't like to poop anywhere but home."
Ah, young love!
Had the same proclivity until my late 30s -- and still head to the house if possible!
But never did a woman so accommodate me!
--ER
"He has to poop," she whispered to me. "He doesn't like to poop anywhere but home."
Ah, young love!
Had the same proclivity until my late 30s -- and still head to the house if possible!
But never did a woman so accommodate me!
--ER
Already answered number 7. Here is 1 through 6:
1. Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and the Bush administration will (skate, teeter, take a direct hit, fill-in-the-blank) this week when the grand jury reveals its findings.
Answer: The Administration will Implode. Rove will go down and take his direct boss Andy Card with him. Card will fall on his sword to protect GWB. (Plotz I thought ment "drop dead")?
2. The war in Iraq is....
Answer: a prelude to a nasty Civil War, and then regional conflict that will cost us more of our children and triple our cost of oil.
3. The election in Iraq is:
Answer: a burning fuse on a very large bomb
4. The ought-6 elections here will:
Answer : if you mean by here in Oklahoma then the answer is as usual "farcical".
5. Cats:
Answer: Cats have staff not owners.
6. Crayola, the crayon people, discontinued "flesh" as a crayon color in what year? And why? (There happens to be a box sittin' here on my desk).
Answer:
Don't know and don't care. All I ever used was the red, black and yellow ones to color with. I ate all the others.
1. Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and the Bush administration will (skate, teeter, take a direct hit, fill-in-the-blank) this week when the grand jury reveals its findings.
Answer: The Administration will Implode. Rove will go down and take his direct boss Andy Card with him. Card will fall on his sword to protect GWB. (Plotz I thought ment "drop dead")?
2. The war in Iraq is....
Answer: a prelude to a nasty Civil War, and then regional conflict that will cost us more of our children and triple our cost of oil.
3. The election in Iraq is:
Answer: a burning fuse on a very large bomb
4. The ought-6 elections here will:
Answer : if you mean by here in Oklahoma then the answer is as usual "farcical".
5. Cats:
Answer: Cats have staff not owners.
6. Crayola, the crayon people, discontinued "flesh" as a crayon color in what year? And why? (There happens to be a box sittin' here on my desk).
Answer:
Don't know and don't care. All I ever used was the red, black and yellow ones to color with. I ate all the others.
# posted by : 7:38 PM
: 7:38 PM
Anal bashful.
Rich, I got a lot done today -- the historical article I was working on is about 90 percent done. And I came in here to work-work to get a jumpstart on tomorrow. Whoa.
And now, somewhere between here and the house is a joint with a burger and beer with my name on it and the base-a-ball game on TV...
--ER
Rich, I got a lot done today -- the historical article I was working on is about 90 percent done. And I came in here to work-work to get a jumpstart on tomorrow. Whoa.
And now, somewhere between here and the house is a joint with a burger and beer with my name on it and the base-a-ball game on TV...
--ER
Kris said:
"The great thing about all of this is Tomasa and Joseph were my great, great, great grandparents. Tomasa was put on the Comanche Tribal role and therefore I am on role as 1/8 Comanche Indian even though I am really 1/8 Mexican."
If the Comanche say you are Comanche then you are Comanche. This business of blood quantum is an Anglo idea imported into America when we were part of the Brittish Empire and carried down to the present day. The BIA (Boss Indians Around) and other government hacks still use blood quantum as do some tribes that have fallen into the white man's practice. To be an "Indian" is to be a tribal member nothing else. Tribes inter-married with great frequency, they also adopted captives as tribal members, as well as friends such as white traders. You don't need to hesitate or qualify when you say I am 1/8th Comanche.
Even if you could trace your "blood" back to its "Mexican" source you would most likely run into an Indian tribe in Mexico anyway.
And in case you think 1/8 ain't much of a connection, be aware that the John Ross Chief of the Cherokee when he brought them over the trail of tears was only 1/16th "Indian".
I hope you are participating as a Comanche in tribal affairs.
"The great thing about all of this is Tomasa and Joseph were my great, great, great grandparents. Tomasa was put on the Comanche Tribal role and therefore I am on role as 1/8 Comanche Indian even though I am really 1/8 Mexican."
If the Comanche say you are Comanche then you are Comanche. This business of blood quantum is an Anglo idea imported into America when we were part of the Brittish Empire and carried down to the present day. The BIA (Boss Indians Around) and other government hacks still use blood quantum as do some tribes that have fallen into the white man's practice. To be an "Indian" is to be a tribal member nothing else. Tribes inter-married with great frequency, they also adopted captives as tribal members, as well as friends such as white traders. You don't need to hesitate or qualify when you say I am 1/8th Comanche.
Even if you could trace your "blood" back to its "Mexican" source you would most likely run into an Indian tribe in Mexico anyway.
And in case you think 1/8 ain't much of a connection, be aware that the John Ross Chief of the Cherokee when he brought them over the trail of tears was only 1/16th "Indian".
I hope you are participating as a Comanche in tribal affairs.
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: 8:43 PM
I had a date set up with a very lovely young woman in Lubbock Texas when I lived there. She was a great great etc. granddaughter of Quanah Parker. Her name was Gina Parker, and she stood me up. The next day, I was transfered back to Kansas. Hi ho.(kind of a senile hiccup)
And drlobojo, I just happen to be working on a story about a friend of mine who is involved with a freedman Indian group. We went to school together and I only knew her as black (though honestly race never occurred to me when I thought of her.) She has recently had a DNA test to prove her heritage connection to an early tribal roll. It will be a good story.
You can't sling a cat in southwest Oklahoma or that part of Texas without hitting a descendant of Chief Quanah Parker. He had nine wives, I think.
I'm with you, Drlobojo, on the blood quantum bunkum. The Indian nations are that: "nations," which can grant, or deny, citizenship. The whole blood thing has always been a bunch of hooey -- although, as you note, some tribes rely on it themselves.
Anyone interested should read "Blood Politics: Race, Culture, and Identity in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma" (University of California Press, 2002) by Circe Sturm, a young anthropoligist at OU, of Choctaw extraction.
Book description from Amazon.com:
"Circe Sturm takes a bold and original approach to one of the most highly charged and important issues in the United States today: race and national identity. Focusing on the Oklahoma Cherokee, she examines how Cherokee identity is socially and politically constructed, and how that process is embedded in ideas of blood, color, and race. Not quite a century ago, blood degree varied among Cherokee citizens from full blood to 1/256, but today the range is far greater--from full blood to 1/2048. This trend raises questions about the symbolic significance of blood and the degree to which blood connections can stretch and still carry a sense of legitimacy. It also raises questions about how much racial blending can occur before Cherokees cease to be identified as a distinct people and what danger is posed to Cherokee sovereignty if the federal government continues to identify Cherokees and other Native Americans on a racial basis. Combining contemporary ethnography and ethnohistory, Sturm's sophisticated and insightful analysis probes the intersection of race and national identity, the process of nation formation, and the dangers in linking racial and national identities."
--ER
I'm with you, Drlobojo, on the blood quantum bunkum. The Indian nations are that: "nations," which can grant, or deny, citizenship. The whole blood thing has always been a bunch of hooey -- although, as you note, some tribes rely on it themselves.
Anyone interested should read "Blood Politics: Race, Culture, and Identity in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma" (University of California Press, 2002) by Circe Sturm, a young anthropoligist at OU, of Choctaw extraction.
Book description from Amazon.com:
"Circe Sturm takes a bold and original approach to one of the most highly charged and important issues in the United States today: race and national identity. Focusing on the Oklahoma Cherokee, she examines how Cherokee identity is socially and politically constructed, and how that process is embedded in ideas of blood, color, and race. Not quite a century ago, blood degree varied among Cherokee citizens from full blood to 1/256, but today the range is far greater--from full blood to 1/2048. This trend raises questions about the symbolic significance of blood and the degree to which blood connections can stretch and still carry a sense of legitimacy. It also raises questions about how much racial blending can occur before Cherokees cease to be identified as a distinct people and what danger is posed to Cherokee sovereignty if the federal government continues to identify Cherokees and other Native Americans on a racial basis. Combining contemporary ethnography and ethnohistory, Sturm's sophisticated and insightful analysis probes the intersection of race and national identity, the process of nation formation, and the dangers in linking racial and national identities."
--ER
Hi Kris I am the great great granddaughter of Tomasa. I am doing some genealogy research and would love if you would help me. My email address is bapluvsjesus@google.com please email me. Thanks
Tomasa was captured with her brother by Comanches.... She married Mr Chandler in anadarko... After he died she married George Washington Conover.... My husband is his grandson.... Amazing that someone born in 1959 can say his grandpa fought in the civil war and settled Oklahoma.... George Washington Conover fathered my husband's Dad when he was quite old and my husband's Dad was quite old when he fathered my husband....
Joseph Chandler...her first husband and George Washington Conover was her second husband.... GW wrote a book and his personal papers are in the Yale library
George Washington Conover is my husband's grandfather.... George and Thomasa had many children together.. after she died he married Laura Smith.... My father-in-law's mother.... It's completely wrong to assume every white man was using the American Indian to cash in.... Have you read GW Conovers book? Or researched his personal papers that are owned by the Yale Library????
George's second wife, Laura Smith was Caucasian.... My husband's Dad and his brother are both on the Indian Rolls listed as Comanche.... Obviously they didn't have a single drop of Comanche blood... It's noted on the rolls that they aren't Comanche by birth.... Thomasas children aren't technically Comanche either....
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